Message to nekoboy: I will number my arguments for easy reference:
Argument #1
nekoboy said:
Does letting a person enter into a lifestyle that will KILL HIM QUICKER THAN A COUPLE OF CIGARETTES A DAY without telling him the consequences of his actions sound like LOVE AND TOLERANCE?
Many homsoexuals live past 65 years of age, especially those who practice safe sex, eat healthy foods, do not smoke cigarettes, do not abuse alcohol or drugs, and get enough excercise. Why should those homosexuals give up homosexuality, especially since that could lead to serious physical and emotional problems?
Argument #2
Celibacy is very difficult for many people, and even some supporters of reparative therapy have admitted that it works only about 30% of the time, and works best by far for religiously motivated people.
Argument #3
Interpreting statistics is often tricky. For example, hypothetically, if 100 heterosexuals, and 100 homosexuals, were studied regarding alcohol abuse, and 25% of homosexuals abused alcohol, and 10% of heterosexuals abused alcohol, the 25% figure can easily be misleading. Only about 15 of those homosexuals abused alcohol "because" they are homosexuals, not 25 since about 10 of those 25 homosexuals would have abused alcohol even if they were heterosexuals. So, a better comparison would be 15% - 10%, not 25% - 10%.
Here is another example of how interpreting statistics is often tricky. Let's say that we have a group of 100 heterosexuals, and another group of 100 homosexuals. If 1 heterosexual abused alcohol, and 10 homosexuals abused alcohol, homosexuals abused alcohol 10 times more than heterosexuals do, or 1,000% more, but 90, or 90% of homosexuals did not abuse alcohol. Therefore, it is quite important to also consider the “general population” of homosexuals, not just the "distressed groups" of homosexuals. Opponents of homosexuality usually fail to address the general population of homosexuals since that would make their statistics less impressive, and often with deliberate deception.
Argument #4
nekoboy said:
.......I never said that homosexuality is as undesireable, I was merely stating that if homosexuality is almost impossible to get rid of, then every single sexual deviation known to man is.
A good deal of evidence shows that homosexual desires and actions, and pedophilic desires and actions, are difficult to get rid of. How does that help this thread get anywhere?
Argument #5
Please define "sexual deviation." Would you call a 170 IQ a deviation from the norm?
Obviously, all deviations are not necessarily undesirable.
Argument #6
nekoboy said:
Personally, I believe that putting a lifestyle that kills people more quickly than smoking, drug use, obesity, etc is unethical. Face it, we talk about love and tolerance, but the only thing that does is let more homosexuals die. That does not sound like love and tolerance to me.
Many heterosexuals eat lots of greasy foods, smoke cigarettes, abuse drugs, are obese, waste thousands, tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of dollars on medical insurance and health care, and die before they are 50 years old. In your opinion, are those people unethical? If so, then being unethical is not a matter of ones' sexual preference.
Argument #7
What options have you provided for homosexuals that generally work well? It is not reasonable for you to criticize something unless you can provide better alternatives.
Argument #8
The majority of homosexuals do not have AIDS.
Argument #9
Lesbians have AIDS much less frequently than gay men do.
Argument #10
Logically, physical health, and character, are best judged on an individual basis, not on a collective basis.
Argument #11
From a scientific perspective, no intelligent case can be made against homosexual behavior, but an intelligent case can be made against unsafe sex, eating lots of greasy foods, abusing alcohol, abusing drugs, and smoking cigarettes regardless of a person's sexual preference.
Argument #12
nekoboy said:
Homosexuals are more likely to die than smokers.......
That is patently false, as an article at
http://www.thetaskforce.org/TF_in_news/07_0813/stories/21_Study_Comparing_Gay_Life_Span.pdf shows. Dr. Paul Cameron, Ph.D., psychology, is mentioned in that article. He is a nut case, and was thrown out of the American Psychological Association, and as I recall was strongly criticized by the American Sociological Association, and by the Canadian Psychological Association. Cameron is a very conservative Christian. If he is not a Mormon, since you are a Mormon, I would not be surprised if he believes that you will go to hell. If that would be Cameron's position, you really do pick some very strange people for sources.
Anyway, heart disease is the largest cause of death in the U.S. by far, regardless of a person's sexual preference, and it is often preventable.
Argument #13
Why does every major medical association in the U.S. disagree with you? What evidence have they missed?
