Father Heathen
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No human is capable of committing anything that's proportionate to damnation. "Sin" is a human invention. The only wrong is to victimize the innocent.
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Overcoming same-sex attraction
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No human is capable of committing anything that's proportionate to damnation. "Sin" is a human invention. The only wrong is to victimize the innocent.
Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
nekoboy said:
Agnostic75 said:
nekoboy said:
Ultimately, how are unsaved homosexuals different from unsaved heterosexuals, and unsaved Buddhists?
Please provide evidence that God inspired and preserved all of the original Bible, including the parts about homosexuality.
It's getting off topic, y'all.
This presupposes your belief that Jesus is God and there is a hell. But what if I don't believe it?
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
This doesn't even sound like something a Mormon would say...
From my experience with LDS members, I agree.
Neko, I do sincerely think you're really struggling right now. My heart goes out to you, and I hope you have someone to talk with.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I agree! Have you ever heard a talk in church saying we're all deserving of damnation? I know I haven't. Yes, we've all sinned and we all need a Savior in order to be reconciled to God, but this language is way atypical of the way Mormons generally think.
Me Myself
Back to my username
We are sinners, but we are also Jesus. Jesus said this even before his cross.
We may be sinners, but we are also saints, even if only in the most deep of our beings.
Our souls are the breath of God, his love.
this love can never be corrupted.
So yes, we are evil, but we are also divine. And the evil will pass. And the divine will trascend.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Sounds more like a Baptist than Mormon.From my experience with LDS members, I agree.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Where did Jesus say we're Him?
We're children of God, so we can't be quite a bad as some would like to paint us.
Me Myself
Back to my username
ome, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Indeed.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Just to get back on topic you do realize you compared a fetish with an orientation don't you? And plenty of people have fantasies that they don't go through with for a good reason. In your case there aren't many things on the body that can be eaten that aren't vital. Or if your desire is to be entirely eaten alive, then obviously it's something you shouldn't go through with. Some men fantasize about having their genitals removed, but for obvious reasons anyone hardly ever actually goes through with it. It isn't too uncommon for some women to have rape fantasies, but yet no one actually wants to be raped.
However a sexual orientation is one's most basic sexual identification. You like men, women, both, neither, it doesn't matter, or however people express their sex or gender of preference for sexual encounters. A fetish are the desired and sometimes preferred sexual acts. And when an object of fetish must be present for sexual gratification and/or arousal, it becomes a sexual paraphilia (the more proper and more accurate term for sexual deviant/disorder/whatever).
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Okay, I think I see where you're coming from. I personally don't believe that Jesus was saying that we're Him, but that He considers our behavior towards other people (either good or bad) to be as if we'd treated Him personally the same way. But if we were truly Him, we wouldn't need Him as our Savior, would we? He has done something for us that we are incapable of doing for ourselves.
As a matter of fact, the (unofficial) LDS position is that we are "gods in embryo."
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