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Featured Official Proof of Soul and Freewill, and disproof of Multiverse and Big Bang

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by questfortruth, Dec 17, 2018.

  1. questfortruth

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    Some professions have the professional diseases. Do the cleaners (garbage cleaner, window cleaner and office cleaner) have chaos in the head? No, because bodily work strengthens the psyche. And according to the law of growth of chaos, reducing disorder in an apartment means an increase in disorder in the head. But it is not happening. Therefore, restoring order is a manifestation of Free Will. This is a miracle. The apartment will soon turn into a landfill without a master's hand. And he creates a miracle, maintaining order. Free Will is Life, so an inanimate tornado will never gather a plane from a scrap yard.

    On the internet, they laugh at the spontaneous generation of life like this: "it is very unlikely that a tornado passing a scrap yard will collect Boeing airplane tuncked and ready for flight." But some portion of the probability of this event the Creationists left (usually p ~ 1/10^{40000}).
    I turn this portion to zero as follows.

    If there were a lot of universes and worlds of quantum physics, then in one of the worlds tornado would leave the scrap yard unchanged, unmodified, "untouched". So, the energy of a tornado is zero. And this violates the law of conservation of energy. Therefore, there is only one universe - ours and the law of growth of chaos operates in it.

    Why, if the gas explosion in the kitchen leaves the kitchen untouched, it is surely a miracle? Yes, because the explosive has cirtain efficiency. For example, the scale of hurricanes or earthquakes is based on the magnitude of the destructive action. If there is no destruction, there is miracle of God !!!

    And my theory is confirmed by the fact that in Nonequilibrium Thermodynamics, it is not the global entropy of the system that is used, but the local one — the “entropy density”. There is because matter can move, the entropy has 4-dimensional density current, but in co-moving reference frame the entropy allways increases with proper time. And then indeed, the time-direction in co-moving reference frame is defined as grow of entropy.
    That means, that any energetic action on this co-moving body will increase the entropy in it. That explains why tornado on the junk yard or explosive in the kitchen, or braking of the kitchen plate mean the grow of chaos in this area.

    If we assume that the disorder (entropy S) on the kitchen table is determined to within an additive term (S+C), then at any time the arrangement of objects on the table can be taken for perfect order (this can be done not every minute, but only once in the history of the table, but this time is arbitrary selected). And if so, the transfer of energy to objects will cause an increase in disorder at any arbitrary time. Locally for the table!

    So, if at the beginning we had a whole plate, then having broken it, the inanimate nature along can not put it together (or it happens extremely rare: one time in all 1000000 lifetimes of our Universe. Why human can invent robots to put plate together just in 30 years and after that in 5 minutes for each broken plate?). And yes, by making order in kitchen, we will prove that we have created the miracle of Free Will. Man is not a bio-robot. We must get life. The transition from death to life is huge jump. Thus, it violates the Darwinism.

    Opponent: The multiverse hypothesis does not posit the production of impossible universes, just possible ones.

    Therefore, they can not be used to explain adds (for some uneducated people, the probability of atheism is near zero, usually p ~ 1/10^{40000}), to fill the gaps in Darwinism. Therefore, God of gaps does remain forever.



    Opponent: Please do not call your 'ideas' a Theory. The status of a theory is only accorded to scientific hypothesis that have been tested and refined and found not wanting. Your's is a long, long way short of that.

    But if I call it a theory, you will hit me with a hammer?


    Opponent: Proof is that which convinces. I wasn't convinced either that free will exists or that a universe-generating multiverse doesn't.

    My proofs will convince a person, who is not a liar and not a troll.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    Entropy increases over all, but it goes in peaks and troughs, that means order can increase in some areas, as long as it decreases in others.

    Also, the boeing in a junk yard thing is a deeply flawed analogy, you should stop using it. Evolution is more like "If a tornado went through a junk yard once a year for a million years, and each time the resulting thing most like a boeing was the still intact when the next tornado came through" you'd be somewhat closer.

    Didn't see any evidence of souls or free will. I'm at a complete loss as to what you think is "official" about any of this.
     
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  3. questfortruth

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    I have proofs!!! You are not a damn troll!!!!
     
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  4. It Aint Necessarily So

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    This argument is called Hoyle's Fallacy, and has been deemed irrelevant. It's not an apt analogy for the process of abiogenesis, for example.

    The multiverse hypothesis does not posit the production of impossible universes, just possible ones - all of them, including ones like this one, perhaps many times over each. It's an excellent solution to the problem of why the universe appears just right to generate life and mind (the fine tuning problem).

    Blind, natural forces are capable of generating order from chaos. Consider planetary formation. Uncountable numbers of rocks, dust particles, and gas molecules moving in any number of directions eventually forms a large, rotating orb in which the parts are now moving in an orderly way relative to one another.

    That hurricane you mentioned is also an example of order arising from chaos. Once again, huge numbers of atmospheric and oceanic molecules, formerly moving independently, arrange themselves into a large structure with a characteristic form and motion.

    That may be incorrect. You may feel that you have free will and are the author of your desires, but there is good evidence to suggest that the will is not the product of the self, but is imported into consciousness from unconscious neural circuits that inform us of what we want. As long as our ability to exercise our will is unimpeded, we get the impression that we are not robots. That may be an illusion.

    Some bristle at the thought that we may be passively living out a set of instructions coming from outside of awareness rather than those desires being generated inside the the theater of the mind from nothing (uncaused), but why? If that's how it is, OK. Nothing changes. Nothing has changed for me since I first realized that my will might be generated determinisitically. I still look before crossing. The rules for living remain unchanged whatever their metaphysical basis.

    Proof is that which convinces. I wasn't convinced either that free will exists or that a universe-generating multiverse doesn't. If what you call proof doesn't convince others, in what sense is it proof? Isn't that a little like a comedian who got no laughs claiming that he was funny.

    Incidentally, just because something was proved convincingly to someone doesn't mean that he is correct in believing what he considered proof, just that he was convinced.
     
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    Well, since the time arrow is defined by entropy increase, it is a tautology that entropy increases with time. The two things are basically the same.

    Ciao

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    Humans, at a certain scale, can be considered 'blind, natural forces' that are 'capable of generating order from chaos.'
    But only because they are in a position to direct energy as it flows from high concentration to low...that is, goes along with entropy...and even our efforts to create a little bit of order causes an increase in disorder around us...
     
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    And my theory is confirmed by the fact that in Nonequilibrium Thermodynamics, it is not the global entropy of the system that is used, but the local one — the “entropy density”. There is because matter can move, the entropy has 4-dimensional density current, but in co-moving reference frame the entropy allways increases with proper time. And then indeed, the time-direction in co-moving reference frame is defined as grow of entropy.
    That means, that any energetic action on this co-moving body will increase the entropy in it. That explains why tornado on the junk yard or explosive in the kitchen, or braking of the kitchen plate mean the grow of chaos in this area.
     
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    We must get life. The transition from death to life is huge jump. Thus, it violates the Darwinism.

    Broken plate can not on itself be put together: or it happens extremely rare: one time in all 1000000 lifetimes of our Universe. Why human can invent robots to put plate together just in 30 years and after that in 5 minutes for each broken plate?

    My proofs will convince a person, who is not a liar and not a troll.
     
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    Therefore, they can not be used to explain adds (for some uneducated people, the probability of atheism is near zero, usually p ~ 1/10^{40000}), to fill the gaps in Darwinism. Therefore, God of gaps does remain forever.
     
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    Please do not call your 'ideas' a Theory. The status of a theory is only accorded to scientific hypothesis that have been tested and refined and found not wanting. Your's is a long, long way short of that.
     
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    But if I call it a theory, you will hit me with a hammer?
     
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    OK, you're a Troll
     
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    I am just a mirror. You looked at yourself and saw a troll.
     
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    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Sorry, @questfortruth , but the OP just doesn't have anything going for it.

    It is way, way too confused about way too much.
     
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    Non sequitur based on a strawman argument. If a tornado has zero energy it isn't a tornado at all. All you have done is knockdown nonsense you created then jumped to a conclusion not supported by the argument

    Non sequitur based on an argument which ignore it's own definitions to jump to an unsupported conclusion.


    Nope as your previous arguments are invalid and unsound

    Babble

    Non sequitur.

    Assertion based on flawed, invalid and unsound arguments above.
     
  16. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Nothing violates "the Darwiniism."

    I can't find fault here. You seem to be on to something.

    Then I must be one of those, because I wasn't convinced.

    The probability of atheism is 100% in this atheist.

    If you call a hypothesis a theory, you have already hit yourself with a hammer.
     
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    The probability of a liar is 100%, but the probability of lies - 0%.

     
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    What do you mean with “your theory”? We have been known since Bolzmann, that the arrow of time has a macroscopic origin, since at microscopic level there is no preferred direction of time.

    However, it cannot be excluded that very rarely, a fluctuation causes a local reversal of entropy in an insulated system. Which is possible, given that entropy is a statistical concept.

    Ciao

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    Such asymmetry is sort of disturbing.
     
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