Obama 2012

[Revoltingest]

Dawg, you said it best when you said the president has no control of the economy.....

This is a common view, but I don't buy it. Presidents have enormous power to do things which greatly influence the economy, eg,
waging continual wars, vetoing bills, the bully pulpit, administrative rules, regulations, Supreme Court appointments (responsible
for the juggernaut which the interstate commerce clause has become). Bush & Obama were & still are an economic disaster.

 

[T-Dawg]

This is a common view, but I don't buy it. Presidents have enormous power to do things which greatly influence the economy, eg,
waging continual wars, vetoing bills, the bully pulpit, administrative rules, regulations, Supreme Court appointments (responsible
for the juggernaut which the interstate commerce clause has become). Bush & Obama were & still are an economic disaster.

I don't think the president has no control at all over the economy, but it's really congress that decides the big issues. The president's main power is to appoint people to federal offices (which can only exist by permission of congress and get their funding from congress) and veto stuff. If congress can't get its act together, the president can't do a whole lot. That's one of the reasons FDR became such a great president - his supporters controlled congress.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think the president has no control at all over the economy, but it's really congress that decides the big issues. The president's main power is to appoint people to federal offices (which can only exist by permission of congress and get their funding from congress) and veto stuff. If congress can't get its act together, the president can't do a whole lot. That's one of the reasons FDR became such a great president - his supporters controlled congress.

Do you think Bush had a big influence on starting the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?
Does Obama influence our continued expensive presence there?
Would Obamacare exist if he hadn't pushed it?

 

[T-Dawg]

Do you think Bush had a big influence on starting the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?
Does Obama influence our continued expensive presence there?
Would Obamacare exist if he hadn't pushed it?

Since the 1960s or so, the president has had a lot of influence in the area of warfare that he legally doesn't actually have. However, congress could have stopped Bush (and Obama) if they wanted to; they just chose not to, in the case of the wars (they were pretty divided on the healthcare, though, amazingly. I guess providing healthcare to people is more controversial than invading random countries).

 

[Storm]

Do you think Bush had a big influence on starting the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?

I do. When Dubya campaigned the first time, I warned everyone that were he elected, he'd invade Iraq. When he won (sorta), I knew it was a done deal. Everyone said I was being ridiculous, but time proved me right.

I don't think Afghanistan was his doing, though.

Does Obama influence our continued expensive presence there?

I think Obama inherited one hell of a mess that he's trying to clean up as best he can.

Would Obamacare exist if he hadn't pushed it?

Um, what?

I'm jumping in at the end... what does Obamacare have to do with the current conflicts?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

We cannot have Obama again, really.

I'm deeply in love with Ron Paul, he planned on sending our troops back because he thinks we are just being d*cks to the Arabs, and that is, in fact, why we are the most hated country, because we need to learn to mind our own business.

Sure 9/11 killed 30,000 people... but we killed way more Arabs, isn't it time to stop?

Obama claimed he thought so, in fact he said he'd get them out in two years, did he? No. There are a lot there, even yet, four years.


Ron Paul, he kept the same opinion on it for years, he predicted the fall of economy, that's why I think he's trustworthy.

 

[Revoltingest]

... what does Obamacare have to do with the current conflicts?

We were discussing the president's effect on the economy.
Obamacare will have an effect, albeit a debatable one.

 

[Revoltingest]

We cannot have Obama again, really.
I'm deeply in love with Ron Paul, he planned on sending our troops back because he thinks we are just being d*cks to the Arabs, and that is, in fact, why we are the most hated country, because we need to learn to mind our own business.
Sure 9/11 killed 30,000 people... but we killed way more Arabs, isn't it time to stop?
Obama claimed he thought so, in fact he said he'd get them out in two years, did he? No. There are a lot there, even yet, four years.
Ron Paul, he kept the same opinion on it for years, he predicted the fall of economy, that's why I think he's trustworthy.

What a revolting view.
He's doomed to lose.

 

[tytlyf]

We cannot have Obama again, really.

We already have President Obama again. No one will vote for the Republicans this November. Especially moderates.

The GOP has shot themselves in the foot this year.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

We already have President Obama again. No one will vote for the Republicans this November. Especially moderates.

The GOP has shot themselves in the foot this year.

I agree many GOP members have, but I don't think Ron Paul has.

I don't understand how Ron Paul is losing when everyone supports his ideas, all of the youtube videos supporting him or his speeches on youtube have thousands of likes, very few dislikes. Everyone talks about him.

I believe something is flawed in the votes, either that or the Ron Paul supporters are too lazy to vote.


Obama, definitely took down his chance, but people ignore his bad side, which is much wider than his good side.


Why is Obama the only democrat that anyone really cares about in the democratic primaries? If you listened to them all together Obama's ignorance will be extended because of the others.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The Democrats are stuck with their messiah this election.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

The Democrats are stuck with their messiah this election.

Just as the Republicans are stuck with their multitude of anti-Christs.

 

[tytlyf]

The Democrats are stuck with their messiah this election.

I'll be glad to vote for the President again. And to think people actually voted for Palin in 08 and thought it was a good idea.

 

[T-Dawg]

I agree many GOP members have, but I don't think Ron Paul has.

I don't understand how Ron Paul is losing when everyone supports his ideas, all of the youtube videos supporting him or his speeches on youtube have thousands of likes, very few dislikes. Everyone talks about him.

I believe something is flawed in the votes, either that or the Ron Paul supporters are too lazy to vote.

Ron Paul has a concentrated and energized support based, a large portion of which are internet users. However, those thousands of youtube likes translate only into thousands of votes, which isn't enough to beat the millions behind other candidates.
Plus, there's a self-reinforcing sentiment that he "can't win."

Why is Obama the only democrat that anyone really cares about in the democratic primaries? If you listened to them all together Obama's ignorance will be extended because of the others.

It's not normal for incumbents to face a strong primary challenge. Those that did, such as Jimmy Carter (vs Ted Kennedy) and George Bush Senior (vs Pat Buchanan), all lost.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Just as the Republicans are stuck with their multitude of anti-Christs.

Touche and a frubal for you!

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Ron Paul has a concentrated and energized support based, a large portion of which are internet users. However, those thousands of youtube likes translate only into thousands of votes, which isn't enough to beat the millions behind other candidates.
Plus, there's a self-reinforcing sentiment that he "can't win."

Why can't he win, besides for the statistics?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Touche and a frubal for you!

Why thank you, thank you very much.

 

[T-Dawg]

Why can't he win, besides for the statistics?

Because people think for whatever reason that he can't win, so they don't vote for him, thus he loses, and they conclude that they were right and decide to continue to not vote for him. I pretty much stated that point-blank, didn't I?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Kinda like Ralph Nader and Ross Perot

 

[T-Dawg]

Kinda like Ralph Nader and Ross Perot

Yeah, kind of like that. Nader would get a lot more votes if people didn't think that voting third party was "wasting" their vote.