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"non-denominational" churches

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by SoliDeoGloria, Mar 22, 2005.

  1. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    UD,

    You and I differ in what constitutes an "attack".


    Using your logic, anytime I merely DISAGREE with the Roman Catholic Church, I am attacking it. It's appears to be quite a knee jerk reaction to a legitimate difference of opinion.

    Have I alledged any illegitamacy of the Catholic faith? No. I have stated in this thread about NON DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES about what I believe constitutes one. I don't believe that the Catholic Church has ever laid claim to being "non-denominational", but please correct me if I am wrong. I have not laid claim that the Catholic church has "no basis" which is something you continually say about me. I would rather try to understand than to assume, but hey... your approach seems to be quite different. Since SOGFPP refers to you as the "cavalry", perhaps you find it convenient to shoot first and ask questions later. Me? I'll put my faith in Calvary and continue to explain my beliefs as calmly and as rationally as I can. You have the option of trying to understand what I believe the Bible has to say and/or to explain your beliefs. You also have the freedom to cast aspersions on my beliefs, but you should be prepeared for me to defend my honor.
     
  2. Stormygale

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    Perhaps all have read my entry in a negative light. I apologize and do not cast stones. I bow humbly and upon going back and reading my post, I see how it can be misleading...
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    I respect everyone and their choice of religion. I am just saying that the two types of religions I was raised in are totally different. One seems to have life and the other appeared to have just been hollow. That is all....
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  3. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Stormy Gale...

    Your experiences are your experiences. Why should someone constitute those as attacks? It sounds that you have had some bad luck with churches. It's probably best though to not use a broad brush in coloring all churches to be similar.
     
  4. glasgowchick

    glasgowchick Gives Glory to God !!!

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    Hi Stormy, that was very humble of you, apoligy accepted Thankyou :D

    Heres another joke for you

    Preacher goes to a womens house to preach the gospel
    while he was there he notices a bowl of nuts on the table
    before he knew where he was, he had eaten all the womens nuts
    He was so apoligetic that he said to the women I shall go and get you some more
    She said "Oh Please" you don't have to do that,
    besides she said I can't chew the nuts, I just suck the chocolate off them :biglaugh:
     
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  5. Uncertaindrummer

    Uncertaindrummer Active Member

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    I am sorry if you take my posts the wrong way. I believe the limtis of the internet have somewhat handicapped my ability to seem charitable. I am not bashing you or your beliefs at all. I am merely asking you where they come from. You disagree with me, so I was trying to see why. You started quoting the Bible and yet you still have not shown a reason for why you believe in the Bible, so your quotes hold very little weight.

    I am indeed sorry if you were offended by my posts.
     
  6. Uncertaindrummer

    Uncertaindrummer Active Member

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    It is Authority Christ GAVE His Church. Not only that, HE is guiding His Church. But regardless, that is besides the point. You claim you believe the Bible because it is God's word. WHO TOLD YOU THAT? Why do you believe it is God's word? Just because you have always believed it? Have you ever tried to figure out a reason for believing in the Bible?
     
  7. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    You mean OTHER than the Bible???

    I am not sure that I need any other reason than the Bible to believe in the Bible. Why don't you believe in it? (If I may be so bold as to ask...)
     
  8. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    While I hold your faith (and you personally) in high regard.... it is the circular logic employed in your faith that we Catholics (and others) find.... ummm.... less than rational and unworthy of intellectual respect.
    I am fairly certain that UD believes very strongly in the Bible and that God is the author of Sacred Scripture..... as do I..... but we believe this to be true for very different reasons.

    I believe in the Bible because I believe in the Church.
     
  9. glasgowchick

    glasgowchick Gives Glory to God !!!

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    Really? define church? In My bible it tells me when we hear the word, believe, confess Christ as Lord, repent and be baptized, it is then The Lord added me to his Church...
    what straight into apostasy..Exodus 20:4 you shall not make for yourself an Idol or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth..5 for you shall not worship them or serve them, for I your Lord is a jealouse God, visiting the inquitity of the fathers on the children on the thrid and forth generations of those who hate me...
    Umm apart from sitting in Chaple and hearing the the reader starting with a letter from Paul to the romans blah blah and finishing off with " This is the word of the Lord".. If The bible is not the word of the Lord then what is it a pack of lies..
    So you know what I have always believed ?
    Don't need a reason, your the one that is not happy with the bible only..not me, I don't have a problem with it....
     
  10. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Hey Scott,

    I have NEVER claimed that my faith was anything other than "revealed". Like my salvation, it has been given to me: I did not earn it.

    Ephesians 1:15 For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. 17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way. NIV
     
  11. Uncertaindrummer

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    Sure. No problems there. Assuming you were Baptized into the Catholic Church.

    So? The Catholic Church doesn't worship idols. That is ridiculous.

    Do you not SEE the error in logic here? You are believing in the Bible because the Bible SAYS SO? Then you also have to believe in the Qu'ran, the Book of Mormon, and countless other religious books because those books as well "say so".
     
  12. Scott1

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    Not sure what your point is.... I'm not trying to discuss your personal faith, rather I'm trying to learn about your theology and the Bible-only/non-denom beliefs you hold.
    Super.... I didn't earn mine, either..... and for "proof" of this you quote me a bible verse where Paul prays for the Spirit to intercede --- which makes it obvious to me that he knew the written words would NOT be enough.

    Again... not sure what point you were trying to make, please clarify.
     
  13. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    So Scott...

    You rely on your church.

    I rely on the Spirit.

    We are having an interesting discussion on the Spirit elsewhere on the forum.
     
  14. Scott1

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    And my Church is filled with the Holy Spirit.... again, I don't know what point you are trying to make.
     
  15. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Then you should understand the role of the Spirit in our faith.

    This seems as if it is way off topic, but who am I to know.
     
  16. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    Well.... I'm trying.... and that's why it ON TOPIC.... I can't understand the notion of non-denom/bible only/evangelical/fundamental etc churches without a basic understanding of your theology.... don't understand the resisitance.
     
  17. Scuba Pete

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    Well then... ask your question differently... maybe I can understand what you are driving at?
     
  18. Scott1

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    Hehe... I give up.... love ya ND.
     
  19. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Friend Scott...

    I feel that we are talking right past each other. I really wish to understand the question. But everytime I think I answer it, it seems to come up short. :(
     
  20. EnhancedSpirit

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    Question: "What is the purpose of the church?"



    Answer: What is the purpose of the church? Acts 2:42 describes the early church, “They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.” So, according to this Scripture, the purposes / activities of the church should be: (1) teaching Biblical doctrine, (2) providing a place of fellowship for believers, (3) observing the Lord’s supper, and (4) praying.



    The church is to teach Biblical doctrine so we can be grounded in our faith. Ephesians 4:14 tells us, “Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.” The church is to be a place of fellowship, where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and most importantly love one another (1 John 3:11).



    The church is to be a place where believers can observe the Lord’s supper, remembering Christ’s death and shed blood on our behalf (1 Corinthians 11:23-26). The concept of “breaking bread” (Acts 2:42) also carries the idea of having meals together. This is another example of the church promoting fellowship. The final purpose of the church according to Acts 2:42 is prayer. The church is to be a place that promotes prayer, teaches prayer, and practices prayer. Philippians 4:6-7 encourages us, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.”



    Another “commission” given to the church is proclaiming the Gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8). The church is called to be faithful in sharing the Gospel through word and deed. The church is to be a “lighthouse” in the community – pointing people towards our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The church is to both promote the Gospel and prepare its members to proclaim the Gospel (1 Peter 3:15).



    Some final purposes of the church are given in James 1:27, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” The church is to be about the business of ministering to those who are in need. This includes not only sharing the Gospel, but also providing for physical needs (food, clothing, shelter) as necessary and appropriate. The church is also to equip believers in Christ with the tools they need to overcome sin and remain free from the pollution of the world. This is done by the principles given above – Biblical teaching and Christian fellowship.



    So, with all that said, what is the purpose of the church? I like the illustration in 1 Corinthians 12:12-27. The church is God’s “body” – we are His hands, mouth, and feet in this world. We are to be doing the things that Jesus Christ would do if He were here physically on the earth. The church is to be “Christian” – “Christ-like” and Christ-following.


     
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