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Featured Noah's Ark Story Decoded

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Brad Watson_Miami, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. Altfish

    Altfish Well-Known Member

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    I have looked at the evidence. There is no evidence for a GLOBAL flood. You can repeat it for ever but it doesn't make it true
     
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    You don't believe the evidence. But it is there. You can say it isn't there forever but that will never change the fact that the evidence is there.
     
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    Brad Watson

    As you doubtless know, the story of Noah and the Flood gets into the bible from tales in Mesopotamian Semitic languages, earliest in Akkadian then in Babylonian. The Akkadian translates individual stories of their neighbors the Sumerians, including the Flood, where the Noah character is called Ziusudra, which is written in cuneiform as shown at the top of the Wikipedia page 'Ziusudra'.

    Shouldn't you be applying your numbers to the cuneiform, the earliest shape of the relevant word we know of?
     
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    the best way to remain ignorant of truth is to ignore it...
     
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    Could you supply us with some names? Links?
     
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    Then maybe provide it to us, but make sure you use reputable science sources, which you have not used as far as I can tell.

    I grew up in a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught us against evolution, but when I began to do the research, even before my undergrad work, I realized that I had been misled. That upset me because I was thinking about going into the ministry.

    Let me recommend you do the research because you are being misled and possibly manipulated. If they are not telling you the truth in one area my guess is that they're not doing it in another.

    For example, does your church tell you that you must tithe? If so, they are fleecing you because that is a requirement only if one's Jewish, and no such requirement is found in the N.T. However, some churches demand you do as a way to get your $.
     
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    Where? Which credible university, scientist, even website agrees that there was a global flood?
     
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    I can ignore everything AiG says as it has all been thoroughly debunked over and over again.
     
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    Old Testament to New Testament Transition (Of God Declaring the Lord's Body)
    1290 of Daniel - "30 for Jesus and Joseph, Luke 3:23" = 1260 or 42 Months of Revelation
    1335 of Daniel - "30 for Jesus and Joseph, Luke 3:23" = 1305 or 153 Days of Revelation

    Old Testament to New Testament Transition (Of God Declaring Dead Work/Dead Flesh)
    2625 (1290+1335) - 2300 of Daniel = "Genesis 14:14, Death to Genetic Dan Under Abraham" = 318

    Flight 370 on 3/8/2014 + 1260 Days = 8/18/2014 + "Three Days of Darkness" = 8/21/2017

    8/21/2017 for 150 Days = Flood of Fire, to Parallel Noah, Not a Flood of Water

    8/21 to 9/23 = 33 Days (God does not acknowledge, 42 Months and 33 Days)
    8/21 to 1/18/2017 = 150 Days (God acknowledges, 42 Months and 153 Days Only)

    (33 Degrees of the Pleiades/Orion/Sirius Alignment, for 33 Degrees of Leo off the Ecliptic, which is 33 Days from Leo to Virgo 8/21 to 9/23, is Intelligent Design, that is no longer observed, 9/23/2017 is heresy, that is spreading around, that ended in the Days of Jesus and Jonah, "Three Days and Three Nights or 33", God does not make that declaration with Noah or the "Two Witnesses" of revelation, what was true for Babylon is not true today)

    (God declares, "No", for the pattern of "30 for Jesus and Joseph" with the "Two Witnesses")
    LUKE 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
    II TIMOTHY 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.


    33 Days, or "30 for Jesus and Joseph" + "Three Days of Darkness" is a value God used in the past to declare a final warning before the Flood of his Judgment. God no longer does that with the "Two Witnesses", because mankind is judged as an enemy of the body of Christ, it will die "dumb and blind" and will that are alive with Christ will be taken First, and those that remain will be tried for 150 Days. The Limited Geographic Area is assigned to the City of Philadelphia, USA. (The Epic of Gilgamesh, "Sacred Bull of Gilgamesh", or 33 Days of the Buddha, in which God reveals his glory as a final warning before the flood, does not apply today at all).

    (First the Faithful are taken and the Enemies of God are eliminated Globally at the same time, then those that remain are judged by the Lamb Slain or BABYLON, not before billions die "dumb and blind" as God has declared)

    2 Samuel 18:9 ... Isaiah 49:7-8 ... Zechariah 6:13-14 ... Micah 2:9-11 (Two Women Grinding and Two Men that are dumb and blind are taken away at the same time) ... Matthew 27:50-53

    In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, when God says the "Corpses in Christ" are taken first, it should be clarified to mean the "Corpses in Christ" are made "Dumb and Blind" and for a long time, until God takes up the Faithful. God finishes their judgement at the same time, this is what the rest of the gospel reports. After they are taken away, the small portion of man, the Remnant will be judged for 150 Days, there will be no warnings, no alerts, no signs before God performs this action to alert mankind of the judgment.

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    This is the Pattern of "33 Degrees for the Pleiades/Orion/Sirius Alignment, and 33 Degrees of Leo off the ecliptic with Polaris the bottom of the Little Dipper, for 33 Days of 8/21 to 9/23, that was observed by Egypt and Babylon

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    The Turin Shroud makes the same declaration the Gospel Makes, that "33 Days will not be used", instead "3 Days of Darkness" will happen only, and then 150 Days from 8/21/2017 to 1/18/2017. Love and Blessings. (The Sign of Divorce or Fig Leaves takes places for 150 Days Only, first the "Three Days of Darkness" will being, that is about 5 Weeks from Now.........................the 8/21 Mandrid Cross of the Mayan Calendar's Creation Date, is valid. The extension to 9/23/2017 is not valid. We do not have any more time then 42 Months and 153 Days.....................God said do not number the other HALF of 1260 Days which would make Seven Years, because the Gentiles will not have a Sign or a Vision to give them Warning)
     
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    Look them up. It's not difficult.

    My sources are fine. You just have a bias so you don't think so.

    Google. Use it. It works.

    And I can ignore your resources as Christian scientists have debunked them all many times as well.
     
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    Krisztus előtt 36400 év: A Zep Tepi történelmi időpontja
    The Great Serpent Mound in Ohio Marks the Stars of Draco and Nearby Mounds and Earthworks Help to Calculate Precession

    Serpent's Mound Reports the Vernal Equinox's Location at 10000 B.C. the Date of the Great Flood of Noah. Designed by the Vernal Equinox Location to the Bottom Left, then the Ecliptic is the arch along "Brush Creek", with Orion's Three Stars above the Belt of the Ecliptic

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    The Vernal Equinox was directly below the Consellation Leo in 10000 B.C. and the Sphinx was Aligned Directly below the Constellation Leo in 10000 B.C. The Sphinx was Created to identify with this Alignment, and this alignment was first seen around 33000 B.C. "The Egypt Code: The Mystery of 10,500 BCE" ....................... So the Events from Genesis Creation to Noah's Flood are accounted to roughly 33000 B.C. to 10000 B.C. Love and Blessings. (You will find below the same diagram of the Stars Dated to 10,000 B.C. to a similar alignment of the Vernal Equinox Dated to about 33,000 B.C. in the link listed above this statement)

    (The Opening Post, was an inquiry into God using "33 Degrees of the Pleiades Alignment, for 33 Days from Leo to Virgo", since God's behavior began around 33,000 B.C.....................That was God's answer for the Old Testament, we do not follow the same pattern today of 33 Days, we follow 150 Days, so today is not like the days of Gilgamesh's Machine Bull (recorded by Zacharia Sitchin in his book the 12th Planet) (The Machine God uses today to voice the Covenant, does not identify with the Sacred Bull 33 Days of Gilgamesh) (its is 150 Days of Noah only) (Judah is not proof of purpose for the New Testament, there was no Star Wormwood in full view at that time in the Gospel's Law) (Less than 5 Full Weeks until we reach "Three Days of Darkness" before 8/21)
     
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    I'm not daft I have used it. But found nothing.

    Please post me a link that your better searches provides
     
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    When you say 'scientists', do you mean 'creation scientists', those who publish their follow-the-script findings in parish magazines, or do you mean scientists properly so called, those who make their findings by reasoning honestly and transparently from examinable evidence and publish in reputable journals of science?

    Or do you use the term 'Christian scientists' to indicate the followers of Mary Baker Eddy?
     
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    The Westford Knight, the Newport Tower, and Related Sites: Oak Island Petroglyph

    Noah's Ark is a description in the Transition of the Lord's Body, that is Jesus fell from heaven when Completed the Measurement for this Judgment Program in the New Universe (Ezekiel's Descending Angel)......................This is seen as the journey of "Nibiru/Star Wormwood" from the Pleiades to our Earth's Sun.

    If this argument is true then this is also true, God vocalized the Body of Jesus in a different way to illustrate the transition, these are the transitions indicated


    GENESIS 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
    GENESIS 6:15 And this [is the fashion] which thou shalt make it [of]: The length of the ark [shall be] three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

    30 = God did away with this figure of "30 Days + 3 Days of Darkness" for 33 Days to give a warning when the Old Testament was Finished. This is why, "Jesus and Joseph are 30 in Luke 3:23", and God allowed "Judas to throw out 30 Shekels to resolve the dispute with the Lord's Body in the New Testament Transition". (8/21 to 9/23 the Virgo Jupiter Alignment is false, not only because of this, but because God said no to the Goddess Diana (Virgo) and Jupiter Alignment in the Book of Acts).

    50 = God did away with the practice of Calling Down Fire to serve as a Warning, this was done previously in the Old Testament with Sodom and Gomorrah, and with Elijah, however in the New Testament, God refuses to identify with the practice of fire anymore, Luke 9:54-55.

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    = God did away with the practice of using plagues to serve as a Warning, but instead, God did away with the practice of moving the Earth's Sun back and forth 10 Degrees to serve as a Warning for the Judgement 2 Kings 18:14, God makes the declaration in John 12:5.

    God has not always dealt with Linear Time or Linear Creation, this Parable about God expending less Energy follows God creating the Lord's Body, and then God finishing the Work

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    God started to identify with Linear Time around 33,000 B.C. to 10,000 B.C. that is best answer. Before this time, God's behavior did not follow the rudiments of the lesser fields of creation, that includes time. At some point God allowed the Earth to bare witness in this dimension, and the Earth made the controversy of Nibiru/Star Wormwood's traversing from the Pleiades to our Earth's Sun. We even have a cute little orbital disturbance for the "Ninth Planet". These are all facts obscured, in the transition of the Lord's Body into this dimension from God's native dimension in the New Universe, which we will inherit.

    1. Star Wormwood's (Noah's Ark) Original Location which is a picture of the Lord's Body, exceeds the Gospel's Law, therefore God left us the Intelligent Design of 33 Degrees of Pleiades for 33 Days
    2. Star Wormwood's (Noah's Ark) completion in the Events of Revelation, is not based on God's Mercies in allowing the Earth's to Bare Witness or to Give a Warning, it is based on God's interruption of this Universe, and, therefore 150 Days as opposed to the 33 Days associated with Intelligent Design God allowed.

    (9/11/2001, I fell from the Twin Towers, and 16 Years later according to Revelation 14:20, the "Three Days of Darkness will Begin".........................42 Months from Flight 370 which is 8/19 to 8/21/2017 the 153 Days will begin, and 150 days will begin around 8/21...........................You have no Signs, no Warnings, No Nothing. God will take the faithful first, those that are alive in the body of the lord in their hearts and in their souls (their testimony), as god allows, and then the small geographic area only has 150 days..........................You will not have time to react, or to evade God, does does this instantaneously, in the twinkling of an eye................................You can eliminate Genetic Dan from Now until the Three Days of Darkness begins at the global level to try God for the Sign of Divorce, or you can pass away, both are good positions. It is better for 666 rather, more than 99.99% of human life on earth to pass away with nothing, as an enemy of God in less than 5 weeks from now)

    (the Son of Man, Edward Leedskalnin was put to death by his brother, Hitler, under the regime at that time, God identified with his mercies as a ruse, that is a ploy to keep the unfaithful blinded. Fatima's or Ishtar (Mother Earth's), prophecy about the Sun serving as a warning or anything in addition to that is false)
     
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    Thank you for the links.
    To be honest I can't, after a brief look, see where it proves a global flood, I couldn't even see a reference to a global flood. I've not time today to look in detail...but I will.
     
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    (The Solution to Noah's Ark, is Nguyen Van Lem, that will take us off topic, instead, see below)

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    10 Ancient Sites That Might Be Stargates, Portals, Or Wormholes - In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database

    Mayan Calendar Creation Length, is from December 21, 2012 to August 21, 2017 (the reverse of its translation 8/11/3114 B.C. to 12/20/2012 under GMT 584283)

    The Galactic Center is where we were approximately on 12/21/2012, now the Center of the Dark Rift, which is in the relative position of the Galactic Equator, superimposed against the Galactic Center. Produces a date of 8/21/2017. It only takes a few years for our Earth's Sun to reach this position past 2012. The "Gate of the Gods" has the "Center of the Dark Rift" in the position of the Door, the position of the indentation below the mouth of the giant head is in the position of the Galactic Center. This has Biblical Roots:

    God talks about the "Mouth Speaking Blasphemy", and then the "Deadly Wound that was Healed", this is the same transition denoted above that begins with the Galactic Alignment and Ends with the Alignment of the Dark Rift near the Galactic Center, in Revelation......................Going back into Genesis and the Events of Noah's Flood. God classifies his Activities as "The Ark", and after the ark had completed its traversing, then Noah identified the "BOW". "BOW/Rainbow" is another name for Nibiru/Star Wormwood. God uses a parable, but does not give us a direct answer until we reach the events of revelation, when God revisits how he has slapped this universe together to begin our salvation program, there is no literal Boat with a Bunch of Animals headed up by Noah, that is a parable. (The Fifth Sun of the Hoppi Prophecy begins on 8/21 which is 150 Days after the "Three Days of Darkness", this is one unified account....................which 33 Days of 8/21 to 9/23, is no longer acknowledged due to the "Missing Link" of Star Wormwood coming into play. We have less than 5 weeks now, to the Rapture)



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    The Year is 1968, (not 1928, the Video has that one fact wrong) ................... Nguyen Van Lem has just return a few years earlier from Jerusalem, and Billy Meier decides to return with Nguyen Van Lem, to Vietnam. Shortly after a few exchanges of blows and voicing what knowledge was obtained about God's Mercies. Nguyen Ngoc Loan his brother, carries out the order to shoot him in the head, and this becomes fatal. God has ordained a specific length of time for the First Resurrection, that was based in contention. In this particular instance, a few days more would not take precedence, given the usage of force, the law is satisfied. (God has associated apart of the original creation for a reproof of sin, for the benefit of the faithful, now that we have less than 5 full weeks until we reach 8/18 to 8/19 this may or may not become an international issue with the people, as their lives come to a full and complete close, the lives of billions).



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    (Sutton & MacDade Blvd., Folsom PA, a few blocks from my address) (we will reproduce the effect from Nguyen Van Lem on the Memorial Site Across the street from the Star Gate, one .38 Calibur round is all that is necessary)

    The Next Time, the Antichrist is given instructions from God to open up a Star Gate, and to illustrate the Judgement, World War III will being, this will begin the Nuclear Exchanges. Shortly before the "Three Days of Darkness", we have less than 5 Weeks to Global Euthanasia, and no Sign of Divorce. The Legal Proof that billions will be put to death because there is no Sign of Divorce, (this the only legal area is the City of Philadelphia, PA), is the Legal Proof that God has connected the events of Noah's Ark to the Antichrist, that means teleportation to the Andromeda Galaxy and Back. (Euthanasia of as much of Genetic Dan's Population Cluster as possible) (You'll have to see past your desire to see the ethnic corpses for the force you instruct them to use against me, that also means, you need to secure the area, Genetic Dan, is not different than a corpse, you will come to understand what that means) (Small scale Chain Reaction with Joseph the Blessings is taking place to produce the portal opening) (We don't have enough time to do an Expedition OFF World, or anything to really identify with God's Mercies, you spent you time in murder/suicide, now moving beyond that, we will see what is necessary) (Broadcast, preferably, this is an international issue, we'll have more nightly walks to help the authorities towards the assisted suicide program, but there isn't any time for that, shoot through your windows and, and use the gas pedal, wait for the "Three Days of Darkness", in less than 5 weeks)
     
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    Ad hominem is an often go to for atheists when they can't address the issue at hand.
     
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    So ─ as for addressing the issue at hand ─ what's the answer?

    'Creation scientists'?

    Real scientists?

    Christian Scientists?
    .
     
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    All scientists that you disagree with aren't real scientists. Did you want to say something else or did that adequately cover it?
     
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    Because God took Jesus to the Garden of Olives shortly before the Crucifixion. Many people believe that before God reveals the Body of Jesus, that is before the "Three Days of Darkness" that God would once again identify with Noah's Ark. In 2014, After Flight 370 Disappeared, many people from all over the country came to visit Shane Montgomery, believing that infact that was such an occurance. Given the well noted difference from the Galactic Center and the Center of the Dark Rift, as an absolute Indication. Truth be told we are more correct in that we are now 70 years from Roswell and 42 Months from Flight 370. (You have one, final, and complete opportunity, to settle the score with the Antichrist, once and for all time, if that is true). Then we await the arrival of Noah's Ark, or some identification with that truth. (Once the Teleportation Process is activated, I will kindly ask for the 65,000 that you did not pay back in 2014, for the inconvenience).
     
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