The Jews under occupation did in fact have sway over Pilate.
To a degree and within the bounds of the law. Pilate was as much bound by Roman law as any other Roman citizen
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The Jews under occupation did in fact have sway over Pilate.
Amazing! The Atheist hecklers doubt much of what is said about Jesus...... yet you know exactly how the Romans thought in dealing with Jews.The Romans simply would not have done this. He was a criminal, **** on him, his value is to serve as a "scarecrow." The Romans wouldn't have bothered. They didn't care, everyone else was beneath them anyways.
It would be about like asking a hard on crime Conservative who's very pro-Gitmo to take it easy on Muslim prisoners during Ramadan. Not gonna happen. Bin Laden didn't get a proper Muslim burial. The Romans wouldn't have either and they certainly wouldn't have made exceptions for a Jew condemned as a terrorist and insurrectionist.
Or so the Atheist say.
Amazing! The Atheist hecklers doubt much of what is said about Jesus...... yet you know exactly how the Romans thought in dealing with Jews.
Citation needed.The Jews under occupation did in fact have sway over Pilate.
Pilate was a "reluctant participant" in the execution of Jesus because Jesus hadn't offended Roman law. Under Roman occupation the Jews were forbidden from carrying out a crucifixion hence they had to talk Pilate into it. Pilate took the cowards route and asked the mob what they wanted, then washed his hands of the whole affair.To a degree and within the bounds of the law. Pilate was as much bound by Roman law as any other Roman citizen
Pilate was a "reluctant participant" in the execution of Jesus because Jesus hadn't offended Roam law. Under Roman occupation the Jews were forbidden from carrying out a crucifixion hence they had to talk Pilate into it. Pilate took the cowards route and asked the mob what they wanted, then washed his hands of the whole affair.
Ah, yes. The Christian's first line of defense, to dismiss all detractors and criticism as being from atheists, even if you make this claim against those who aren't atheists.Amazing! The Atheist hecklers doubt much of what is said about Jesus...... yet you know exactly how the Romans thought in dealing with Jews.
Note, Celsus book doesn't exist at all.Or so the bible says
Please note, there is no first or even third hand evidence for that.
What is known was that Pilate was governor at that time, there is evidence for this. Other than that ... Ziltch
If Jesus was executed he very much did break Roman law (this was a point of conflict between the Romans who had the death penalty and the Germanic tribes who didn't). That he was crucified says very specific things about his status and crime. Pilate was Roman, bound to Roman law, and expected to enforce and uphold Roman law.Pilate was a "reluctant participant" in the execution of Jesus because Jesus hadn't offended Roman law. Under Roman occupation the Jews were forbidden from carrying out a crucifixion hence they had to talk Pilate into it. Pilate took the cowards route and asked the mob what they wanted, then washed his hands of the whole affair.
If Jesus was executed he very much did break Roman law (this was a point of conflict between the Romans who had the death penalty and the Germanic tribes who didn't). That he was crucified says very specific things about his status and crime. Pilate was Roman, bound to Roman law, and expected to enforce and uphold Roman law.
As ChristineM just explained, how crucifixion was done is well understood. When you claim that Jesus was likely seen as a political terrorist by the Romans you also confirm that he would have been left up on the cross. They would not have taken him down for a Hebrew holiday.
Note, Celsus book doesn't exist at all.
**MOVED TO RELIGIOUS DEBATES**
....."oh he was there too. I thought celsus turned up about 150 years later, his work destroyed by christians so there are now no compete copies remaining
Or did you mean the the other celsus, the one who wrote on roman medicine?
Cheers, it was not intended as a debate but its turned out that way
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Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera (/pænˈtɛrə/; c. 22 BC – AD 40) was a Roman soldier whose tombstone was found in Bingerbrück, Germany, in 1859. A historical connection from this soldier to Jesus has long been hypothesized by numerous scholars, based on the claim of the ancient Greek philosopher Celsus, who, according to Christian writer Origen in his "Against Celsus" (Greek Κατὰ Κέλσου, Kata Kelsou; Latin Contra Celsum), was the author of a work entitled The True Word (Greek Λόγος Ἀληθής, Logos Alēthēs).
Celsus' work was lost, but in Origen's account of it Jesus was depicted as the result of an affair between his mother Mary and a Roman soldier. He said she was "convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Pantera".[1] Tiberius Pantera could have been serving in the region at the time of Jesus's conception.[1] Both the ancient Talmud and medieval Jewish writings and sayings reinforced this notion, referring to "Yeshu ben Pantera", which translates as "Jesus, son of Pantera". The hypothesis is considered unlikely by mainstream scholars given that there is little other evidence to support Pantera's paternity outside of the Greek and Jewish texts.[2][3]
Historically, the name Pantera is not unusual and was in use among Roman soldiers.[2][4]"
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I would be interested in the specific natural truths about life and the real world that would get someone killed if they spoke them in a world-wide platform.
And all of Christianity's current leaders are afraid or unwilling to speak these natural truths? But these natural truths are described in the NT.
My curiosity is quite piqued!
You mean it turns out in the end Pilate was another Roman pigdog?"The Jewish historian Josephus and philosopher Philo of Alexandria both mention incidents of tension and violence between the Jewish population and Pilate's administration. Many of these involve Pilate acting in ways that offended the religious sensibilities of the Jews."
" According to Josephus, Pilate's removal from office occurred because he violently suppressed an armed Samaritan movement at Mount Gerizim. He was sent back to Rome by the legate of Syria to answer for this before Tiberius, who, however, had died before he arrived. Nothing is known for certain about what happened to him after this."
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