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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jim, May 27, 2019.

  1. Jim

    Jim Well-Known Member

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    In my current version of Hinduism, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah are avatars of Krishna, and Baha’u’llah Is the Kalki Avatar.
     
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    Does this mean you trying to make a new form of Hinduism?
     
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    No. It’s just my current understanding of Bahá’u’lláh’s Hinduism. I don’t know if it’s new or not. Have you never seen anyone saying that before?
     
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    My knowledge of Bahà'i is very limited, so no i have not seen it before :)
     
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    I understand Bahaullah did not claim in straightforward manner anything of the sort in his core book Kitab-i-Iqan or "Book of Certitude", please.

    Regards
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    We have read this a thousand times in RF. I think Baha'ullah was an avatara of Bakāsura.
     
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    That's not Hinduism, Jim, its the Baha'i faith. It's what Baha'is have been affirming and Hindus been denying for at least 100 years now. All it does is re-affirm how little Baha'is know or care about Hinduism.
     
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    Do you really feel the need to saddle yourself with the expectations and parameters of a creed that is not even truly yours?

    It seems to me that hoping to establish a measure of mutual respect, cooperation and acceptance between the two faiths should be plenty enough. There are just so many questions that may well be impossible to answer or harmonize that arise when you try to make so much fit together... and I don't think any of us has much of a need for that headache. What would the purpose even be?

    Hindus themselves do not even have much of an expectation of consensus about which Devas are the Avatars of which others - and the Devas and Avatars seem to be ok with that. As should we all, IMO.
     
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    In regards Hinduism Shoghi Effendi has said:

    ...Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity, Islám and the religion of the Sabaeans. These religions are not the only true religions that have appeared in the world, but are the only ones which are still existing. There have always been divine prophets and messengers, to many of whom the Qur'án refers. But the only ones existing are those mentioned above.

    So Hinduism is a religion of Divine origins. Otherwise the Baha’i writings have little to say.

    In regards the authenticity of the sacred writings including the Bhaghavad Gita we don't have much to go on either. In response to questions of a more detailed nature Shoghi Effendi said it would be a matter for scholars to investigate further.

    Your question concerning Brahma and Krishna: such matters, as no reference occurs to them in the Teachings, are left for students of history and religion to resolve and clarify.
    (From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 14 April 1941)

    We cannot be sure of the authenticity of the scriptures of Buddha and Krishna, so we certainly cannot draw any conclusions about virgin birth mentioned in them. There is no reference to this subject in our teachings, so the Guardian cannot pronounce an opinion.

    Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster and Related Subjects


    So even in consideration of Krishna we haven't anything specific from the Baha'i writings to say. What do we have?

    Blessed souls whether Moses, Jesus, Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha, Confucius, or Muhammad were the cause of the illumination of the world of humanity. How can we deny such irrefutable proof? How can we be blind to such light?"
    ('Abdu'l-Bahá from a Tablet - translated from the Persian)

    The Message of Krishna is the message of love. All God's prophets have brought the message of love....
    ("Paris Talks: Addresses given by `Abdu'l-Bahá in Paris in 1911-1912", 11th ed. (London: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1979), p.
    35)

    In my experience many Hindus don’t believe in Avatars or Krishna was a person who walked the earth. As you are aware Shoghi Effendi made this connection.

    My favourite question for my fellow Baha’is when the topic of Hinduism arises is who founded Hinduism? As you will appreciate, it wasn’t Krishna. Most are receptive to an alternative view based on known history and studies of comparative religion which is essential to understanding any faith as well as close association with those who practice the religion in question.
     
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    Sorry, may be the Bahaism people may think that what the Abdul Baha or Shoghi Effendi wrote later was as if it had been said by Bahaullah, but we others who don't believe in Bahaism cannot and do not consider it the same. Bahaullah is distinctively a different person and Abdul Baha and or Shoghi Effendi are two altogether different persons.

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    It could on the other hand show our Love and appreciation of all Faiths and for all the good they have offered to the world.

    Regards Tony
     
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    At this point, Tony, every comment is taken as a negative. I'm sorry you feel that way. It must be hard to feel everyone is against you. We're all just so very anti-Baha'i. Again, if you guys don't want comments, don't put stuff in the debate forum. Keep it in the Baha'i DIR.
     
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    Tony Bristow-Stagg A World Citizen
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    The replies speak for themselves. One equated Baha'u'llah with a "voracious, cruel and terribly strong Rakshasa or demon"

    One suggesting there is little respect for people of the Hindu Faith.

    One was not suppost to be in the quote and thank you for pointing out that mistake, to which I remedied.

    You are right, my reply is really just supporting what is seen as negative. So thank you for that as well and I modified my post to suit.

    Regards Tony
     
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    No.
    I’m not trying to fit any creeds together, if that’s what you mean.
    I’m okay with that. That’s why I said “my version.” I’m just saying how it looks to me, from my reading of Hindu and Baha’i stories and scriptures.
     
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    Yes, I know, but Amanaki didn’t seem to know anything about that.
     
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    Shoghi Effendi says specifically that Bahá’u’lláh is a Manifestation of Krishna. If Baha’u’llah is a Manifestation of Krishna, then so are Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and the Bab. Now I see a possible flaw in my thinking. Just because Bahá’u’lláh is an avatar, and a Manifestation of Krishna, it doesn’t necessarily follow that all the Manifestations are avatars. I would need to do more research on avatars in Hindu stories and scriptures.

    Shoghi Effendi says specifically that Baha’u’llah is the tenth avatar of the Hindus. According to some Hindu stories, the tenth avatar is Kalki. From what Hindu stories say about Kalki, and what Baha’u’llah says about Himself, it makes sense to me to say that Bahá’u’lláh is the Kalki Avatar.
     
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    If “you guys” includes me, I’m not complaining. I want comments. I was glad to see all those comments. I wanted to know what people thought about what I said.
     
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    ((If you mean that all Hindus have been denying it, that isn’t true. If you mean that there aren’t any Baha’is who know and care as much about Hinduism as any Hindu, that isn’t true either.))
     
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    What I think it shows is that in my current understanding of Baha’i and Hindu stories and scriptures, it looks to me like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’llah are avatars of Krishna, and Baha’u’llah is the Kalki Avatar. Now I’m reconsidering whether or not all Manifestations are avatars.
     
  20. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Thats great Jim, hope you get to sort it out.

    I see one can be a lover of the light, no matter where it arises and shines from.

    Regards Tony
     
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