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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jim, May 27, 2019.

  1. Jim

    Jim Nets of Wonder

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    Here’s what happened. I saw Shoghi Effendi saying that Bahá’u’lláh is the tenth avatar, and I found out that in some Hindu stories the tenth avatar is Kalki, who comes at the end of the Kali Yuga, to make way for the Satya Yuga. Bahá’u’lláh’s description of the time we’re in looks to me like the descriptions that I’ve seen of when Kalki would come.

    I saw Shoghi Effendi saying that Bahá’u’lláh is a manifestation of Krishna, and I found a webpage that I thought was written by a Hindu, saying that it’s actually Krishna rather than Vishnu who is the source of all incarnations. The arguments from Hindu scriptures looked reasonable to me. If Bahá’u’lláh is a manifestation of Krishna, then in my understanding all the person’s that He calls “Manifestations” are Manifestations of Krishna. I went from there to saying that they are all avatars, but now I see that I would need to do more research on that. I would also need to do more research to see if it’s true that there are no Hindus who think of Hindu avatars as avatars of Krishna.
     
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  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    I am an advaitist Hindu pagan and a strong atheist.
    Well, you may find all kinds of beliefs on fringes of Hinduism.
     
  3. Jim

    Jim Nets of Wonder

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    You mean for example, like Gaudiya Vaishnavism?
     
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    I do not understand why you need to do so much research on aspects of Hinduism? What you intend to gain?

    Vedantic Sruti holds that ‘Knower of Brahman is Brahman’. From this understanding there is no difference at all between my guru ( a self realised saint) and Shri Krishna, who in Gita teaches “Jnani (knower) is in me and I am in him”. This is problematic for monotheists or for those who have anthropomorphic god in mind. Vaisnavas ( and some Saivas too) cling to anthropomorphic forms. Same, I think is case with Jesus lovers. I feel that Baha’i s may also belong to this category.

    So, what exactly is being meant when one says that Bahá’u’lláh is the tenth avatar of Shri Krishna?
     
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  5. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Others too. Swaminarayans.
    'Brahma Veda Brahmaiva bhavati'. Once a person realizes the truth, then the person knows that all things here are Brahman only (living or non-living) - 'Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma'. 'Aham Brahmasmi' (I am Brahman), 'Tat twam asi' (You are that), because 'Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti' (What exists is one, there is no second).
     
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    ((I did some more research, and I found out that there are some Hindus who say that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was an incarnation of Krishna (Chaitanya Mahaprabhu... incarnation of Krishna?). Also, there is some disagreement about how many years there are in a Yuga, with some people saying that the Kali Yuga will end in 2025, and some even saying that it has already ended. I don’t know if any of the people saying that are Hindus or not.))
     
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    I was trying to find out what Shoghi Effendi might have meant by saying that Bahá’u’lláh is the tenth avatar, and also a manifestation of Krishna. More precisely, “the Immaculate Manifestation of Krishna.”
    Exactly. That was exactly the question I was trying to answer.
     
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    "A BLAH HAUL"

    I don't get one exactly. What is this "A BLAH HAUL", please?

    Nonetheless, Bahaullah did not claim many things himself, and the things he claimed in Iqan he could not give proper reasons/arguments for them .
    This work was later done by Abdul Baha , Shoghi Effendi and then perhaps UHJ also.
    It is now other way round, instead of Abdul Baha , Shoghi Effendi and the UHJ following Bahaullah; Bahaullah has to follow them.
    Please correct me if I am wrong?

    Regards
     
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    Let us realise that there are monotheistic sects in Hinduism like the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, Arya Samaj that consider Krishna to be a prophet like figure as well. Same too with Sikhism which is one of the monotheistic Dharmic religions.

    One can say then that Krishna, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Bahaulllah are Avatars whom Saguna Brahman or God had placed in different situations and circumstances to impart knowledge of spirituality and religion.
     
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    Also,in my ideal version of the Bahai religion, there are female leaders as well, and not just male leaders and male domination as it is now.
     
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    Have you read works in comparative mythology?
     
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    In my opinion it's nonsense and silliness. It's akin to what I see floating around trying to make Abraham and Brahmā cognates. There's an absolutely ludicrous, and downright stupid thread at Quora in which the author claims a cognate relationship with God Shiva and Jewish sitting shiva because God Shiva is usually depicted sitting in meditation. :facepalm:

    The attempts to conflate religions, etymologies, philosophies and what-have-you are epic failures. While all religions may be valid, and lead to an ultimate truth, they are valid for their followers, not everyone else... there is no oneness and unity of religions. These attempts are like trying to breed a cat and a dog back to their common ancestor to show oneness. Like that combined zygote, these attempts to merge religions spontaneously abort. The chromosomes just don't line up. Besides, there's no way Kalki could have appeared yet, because the world is overflowing with adharma. The adharma level is even higher now than what Krishna came to resolve. There's no evidence we are in the new Satya yuga.
     
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    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    What would you say if I told you that he was probably right, but not objectively so - meaning that anyone else would be free to disagree without being wrong?
     
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    That's wise. To think otherwise to not understand what an avatar is or is not. Not all of Vishnu's 24 avatars are purṇāvatāra, full avatars. Narasimha, Rama and Krishna are the only purṇāvatāra. The other 21 are anshāvatar, partial avatars or expansions.
     
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    Yep, BG 12.5 For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progress in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.
     
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    Of course. That is the atheists’ POV for any religion. We’re all entitled to our beliefs. I personally wouldn’t label those who hold a different worldview ignorant. Being respectful of diversity of beliefs is the first step to dialogue.
     
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  17. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    There are no individual 'Leaders' :) It seems very clear to me as to why. But that is another topic.

    Regards Tony
     
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  18. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    This will clarify the OP, so can respond.

    All that is written by Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi and Universal House of Justice is Authorised under the Covenant of Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah has said, it is as He had given it.

    Regards Tony
     
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    All the same, there is danger in superstitions, including monotheistic ones.
     
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    The danger is self. There is very little danger in giving to others of all that is good, in preference to self.

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