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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jim, May 27, 2019.

  1. Vinayaka

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    The Vaishnava Hindu version is that Krishna was the last avatar of Vishnu. A few people put Buddha after that. In Vaishnava Hinduism, the Kalki avatar is yet to come. People are free to believe whatever they wish, but anything beyond this in the line of avatars would be very rare indeed amongst Hindus. But then I'm just the anti-Baha'i village idiot, so what do I know. No Hindu thinks that Krishna has avatars. Krishna is an avatar. An avatar can't have avatars of himself.

    I'm not Vaishnava so I don't believe in any avatars period. The entire concept has never made any sense to me.

    As my good friend Aup said, we've been through this on this forum for about 1000 times now, and if we're still saying the same things, it is apparent there has been no progress. So I will be out. Sorry I responded at all now.

    For me, a self-proclaimed Hindu to make a thread entitled 'My current version of Baha'i ' would just be so preposterous I would never ever think of doing it.
     
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  2. Jim

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    @Amanaki @paarsurrey @Aupmanyav @Vinayaka @LuisDantas @Tony Bristow-Stagg
    I see that I owe you all an apology for the way I titled this thread. I was feeling a little defiant, like, if other people can put any religious label they want to on their way of thinking, then why can’t I?

    A better title would have been “Some thoughts about some possible relationships between Baha’i and Hindu stories and scriptures.”
     
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  3. Jim

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    I’m regretting it now, the way I titled this thread. See my apology above.
     
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    No worries Jim :) Maybe you could name it"My thoughts about" then write what you know about it, being buddhism, hinduism or other religions :)Then ask what other thinks about it.
     
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    But that is because you are not trying to pretend that your religion is the same as everyone else's whilst simultaneously trying to prove how vastly superior your interpretation of those other people's religions is. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    Anyway, I have no such pretensions either (really) but I have just decided that my version of Baha'i would go in a slightly different direction - rather than trying to understand Baha'u'llah as an avatar of Krishna (or whatever it was), I think it would be more productive to think of Baha'u'llah as an anagram of A BLAH HAUL.
     
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  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    That is already the problem. Man trying to understand the infinite, divine creator, or how creation began with a finite mind.

    Thus all the Avatars, Buddhas, Christs or Messengers were right or wrong, that depends upon our choice. If Baha'u'llah is right, then they do come from the same source. If not, then, really no Faith gone before has ever been right and it has all been but man making it all up.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Hey Tony, I know all the Baha'is mean well... but... We all know the "Love" and "appreciation of the other religions is for the Baha'i version or interpretation of that religion. None of the versions of any religion practiced today are acceptable and fit within the Baha'i way of thinking. Which may be the truth. But, right now it is only the truth for Baha'is.

    Some of us appreciate and like the differences within the different religions. You know it seems like the Baha'is take that description of an elephant by the blind men and change it a bit. Instead of the tail and ears and the legs of the elephant being real parts... the Baha'is crop off the parts of the other religions that they don't like or agree with and shape the religion into something else.

    You guys are one of the new kids on the block and you're going around saying you're better than everybody else. But you can't just say, or show where Baha'u'llah writes it, but you need to prove it. Do you love and appreciate the other religions? And, how do you show that love and appreciation? 'Cause some Baha'is have pretty much said that all the other religions are essentially dead and in their "winter". That their time has come and gone. That most, if not all, have let themselves fall into wrong beliefs and tradition. And have lost the mysterious "original" message and teachings. If that is so... what is their to appreciate about them? If that is true, then they should be pushed aside and done away with, because they are no longer teaching or know the truth.

    And you know, we hear both messages coming from Baha'is. How much you love the other religions. And, how much you think they have gotten things wrong. And how you, the Baha'is, have everything right and are here to fix those wrong beliefs of the other religions. It's like a parent that says they love their kid but keeps telling them how wrong they are. That ain't a good kind of love.
     
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  8. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Every one that is a Baha'i has their current version.

    In 35 years mine has changed daily.

    Regards Tony
     
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    You posted this while I was writing mine. I kind of think that all religions have a lot of man's making things up involved with it. So many of the rules and things are so tied in with the culture of the people. I think spiritual people had input into what they thought of as to what is Divine... a God, lots of Gods, evil beings, angels, all kinds of stuff. Religious leaders could have easily made rules and moral codes they thought best and claimed God as the author and originator of those laws, with the excuse that it is for the good of their society. So, to me, that's "progressive" revelation of sorts. Religion keeps changing as people change. Now if you what to add a little bit of a Divine Being's influence tied into it, that's okay with me. But, I would still think that man had a lot to say about what got written down and taught as "God's" spiritual truth.
     
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    I don't often agree with you Tony...
     
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  11. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Hi CG. I see Love also requires stern words at times and as and adult we should be able to take a good hard look at ourselves and get over the faults. We all have them.

    There is no easy way to give such a thought provoking Message. That is also important, it is not our Message we share.

    It is worth considering that as a Baha'i, we have already faced these admonitions from all backgrounds and all faiths and we are still working on them, each and all of us.

    What else can I say? It is either God speaking through Baha'u'llah, or it is not.

    If it is and now you have heard about it, that Message is for you to read and make your own decisions. If it is not and another Truth unfolds, no worries, every Baha'i will have a lot more to answer for.

    Regards Tony
     
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  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Bahai are not exempt from having entwined their own ideas into what has been said.

    The only example of a True Baha'i to date is Abdul'baha. It is worth considering a lot of what we post from Abdul'Baha was given in talks at churches in the West at invitations from priest's. Thus I wonder how many people He offended in Church?

    I know at one synagogue, a talk about Moses that also went on to Christ and Muhammad caused a great uproar. :)

    We can not change what was offered, but we can change how much and when we offer it. How do we gain that wisdom?

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    That was the Gold Trophy of cherry picking. :D

    Regards Tony
     
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    Does that make me an honorary Baha'i?
     
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    If you can support it with quotes. ;)

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    I see my mistake now. I got my idea about avatars of Krishna from a website that I thought was a Hindu website. Looking again, I see that it’s a Hare Krishna website.

    Who's First: Vishnu or Krishna? | Back to Godhead
     
  17. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    When my wife first became a Baha'i they were big news in Western Australia in the early 80'. 92 Rolls Royces :) was my thoughts when my wife said she just became a Baha'i. My reaction when she said that was a very angry, 'Who gets all the money'. :eek: :);)

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    No. Hinduism is not a religion of 'Divine Origin' though many of its adherents ignorantly believe so. It is a religion which grew out of 'social need'.
    "Mān nā mān, main terā mehmān" (Whether you accept me or not, I am your guest). We have this saying for unwanted guests. We do not need Bahai love, we are perfectly happy even without it. Thanks.
    It is nonsense to us. The time of the appearance of Kalki avatara (for those who believe in it, I don't), is clearly given; and it would be 425,000 years from now - towards the end of Kaliyuga, which has just began 6,000 years ago. Anyone claiming it to happen earlier is an imposter.
    Do you really want to know that? It may not be very complimentary. ;)
     
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    True and simple. All faiths which have 'divine origins' along with their prophets, sons, messengers, manifestations and mahdis are fakes, since the power that they take as their base does not exist. You cannot have electricity if a power station does not exist. That is why the spiritual darkness in the world.
     
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  20. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Electricity does not need a power station. A Manifestation of God does not need any persons support. They are part of creation.

    Both exist without the input from any human.

    Did you forget about lightning, as "Lightning is an electric current. Within a thundercloud way up in the sky, many small bits of ice (frozen raindrops) bump into each other as they move around in the air. All of those collisions create an electric charge. After a while, the whole cloud fills up with electrical charges."

    Weather Wiz Kids weather information for kids

    Regards Tony
     
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