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Featured Muslims and Chrs./Jews swapped role in stoning to death.

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Ruh, Apr 21, 2020.

  1. Ruh

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    I don't get how ? Qur'an does not mention stoning to death as any capital punishment for any offense , while Bible implied it for a dozen of times . Sectarian Muslims endorse it in case of adultery/fornication while Christians/Jews do not do that . Muslims follow Bible and Christians/Jews follow Qur'an . What a flip-flop :eek: !


    1. For touching Mount Sinai Exodus 19:13
    2. For taking "accursed things" Joshua 7:1-26
    3. For cursing or blaspheming Leviticus 24:16
    4. For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough) Deuteronomy 22:23-24
    5. For animals (like an ox that gores a human) Exodus 21:28
    6. For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night Deuteronomy 22:13-21
    7. For worshiping other gods Deuteronomy 17:2-5
    8. For preaching the wrong religion Deuteronomy 13:5-10
    9. For disobeying parents Deuteronomy 21:18-21
    10. For witches and wizards Leviticus 20:27
    11. For giving your children to Molech Leviticus 20:2
    12. For breaking the Sabbath Numbers 15:32-41
    13. For cursing the king 1 Kings 21:10
     
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  2. Rival

    Rival Iiu em hotep.
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    Jews face a complex issue that means these punishments cannot be enforced. There's no Sanhedrin, no Temple and these things can't currently be remade.
     
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  3. Hellbound Serpiente

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    I personally feel like Jews, Christians. Muslims are following an extremely distorted, twisted versions of their respective religions which, btw, are outdated. I think Judaism, Christianity, Islam were only supposed to be for that specific period of time and for those specific people.

    What happens when you try to follow an outdated, corrupt ideology? You get things twisted and blown out of proportion, and that is exactly what the followers of Abrahamic religions are seem to be doing.

    I could be wrong, though, but that's just my two cents
     
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  4. Jedster

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    Maybe if all the Jews, Christians and Muslims got together and really got stoned in a more modern sense, the world would be different.

    Just a thought!:)
     
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  5. Harel13

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    Don't you worry, we Jews haven't ever officially given up on stoning or any other type of capital punishment. However, there are several requirements, some of them quite complicated, that must be fulfilled in order to pass out such a punishment - and these requirements were around even in the time that we had a fully-functional Judaic court of justice, even more so complicated today, when we are lacking, as @Rival said, a Sanhedrin.
     
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  6. Harel13

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    I'm sure just about all religious Jews, Christians and Muslims would think that upon reading your words...;)
     
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  7. sun rise

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    Muslims can make the same statement about Islam and its traditional punishments etc.
     
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  8. Rival

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    I'd like to know how. I'm not sure what requirements they have, not being familiar with that.
     
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    As far as Christians go, Jesus stops the stoning of the "woman taken in adultery", in what I find a rather moving story ( one of my favourites). The people bring her to him, saying according to the Law of Moses they should stone her. So he says to them, "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone." They look sheepishly at one another and gradually they all slink away. Jesus is writing on the ground while this is happening. Then he looks up and says to the woman, "Where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one", she replies. He says to her, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
     
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  10. Terry Sampson

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    And it's a good thing that it doesn't, IMO. Can you imagine how popular Islam would have been, if Mohammed and his first followers had said: "Okay, folks, before we get too far along in this new religious thing we have started, we need to clean house." :eek:
     
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  11. Hellbound Serpiente

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    Even though I have forgotten most of Islam, there are certain requirements. There should be righteous Caliph and it's applicable in Islamic State where Islam is thoroughly established. These are just couple of requirements. There are numerous other prerequisites but I just can't recall them atm
     
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  12. Terry Sampson

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    Which raises a question in my mind? If the Qur'an doesn't require stoning, why are some Muslims doing it now, in the 21st century?
     
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  13. Rival

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    Following certain ahadith.
     
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    I don't follow. Its not like there aren't plenty of bricks and people. Why can't they build a temple and fire up a sanhedrin?
     
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    I take it that it's okay if we direct the ensuing world-wide Islamic wrath post-destroying-the-Al-Aqsa-Mosque at you?

    The truth is, dumb political decisions were made by the Israeli government and the then Minister of Defense Moshe Dayan immediately after the Six-Day War, and that's why Jews can't build the Temple at the moment.
     
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  16. Rival

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    Because there's a huge Mosque on the Temple Mount.

    Setting up a Sanhedrin isn't quite as simple as bringing together a bunch of Rabbis, either,


    Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin - Wikipedia
     
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    "Fire up a sanhedrin"???
    A temple consists of bricks and mortar. A sanhedrin consists of flesh and blood.
     
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    Indeed. And that's one of the greatest blunders in the history. Taking Hadiths seriously is completely absurd. Hadiths were written generations after the death of Muhammad, after the end of the era of the Rashidun Caliphate, over 1,000 km (620 mi) from where Muhammad lived.

    Hadiths are basically bunch of unconfirmed hearsays! How the hell can one confirm if what's being attributed to Prophet Muhammad is actually true or just outright lie/falsehood?

    Then, on top of that being just hearsays, these Hadiths are passed around for GENERATIONS! And if the childhood game of telephone has taught us something, it is that message gets distorted as it gets passed on. True meaning of the original message is completely lost as it gets passed around.

    I don't know how can any rational person can take Hadiths seriously
     
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    What if you don't have to build it over Al Aqsa? Consider the possibility that the Earth rotates and that it also revolves about a Sun which is traveling through an enormous galaxy. Let us, for sake of discussion, assume that to be the case. Were any of the temples ever built on the same spot?
     
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    Yes, the majority of problems in Islam come from the application of the various ahadith. Islam would probably be better off dumping it and just following the Qur'an, which has a pretty simple message.
     
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