toe mae toh , toh maa toh
, they all same to meif god dint care about monkeys/apes why should i. someday ill eat monkey tandoori with rice.
Well, one difference is that humans are apes, but are not monkeys.
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Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.
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Well, one difference is that humans are apes, but are not monkeys.
That's interesting thanks for sharing. I do realize the mirror test requires a certain level of intelligence to pass, which is different from awareness.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yep, and it was eventually diagnosed as being a type of hopping dinosaur whereas the human-like footprints were almost 20 feet or so apart.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The article does point out that they are no certain of the source of the prints in terms of whether it's human or not, but we also need to remember that there are numerous ape lines running around at that time-- much more than today.
Also, a 6 million year old find in Chad discovered several years ago has so many shared ape/human characteristics that the last time I read it still hadn't been classified as either. What I can't remember is whether any foot bones were found.
Also, a 6 million year old find in Chad discovered several years ago has so many shared ape/human characteristics that the last time I read it still hadn't been classified as either. What I can't remember is whether any foot bones were found.
dad1
Active Member
The flood likely occurred somewhere around the KT layer. That is some 70 million imaginary years. The state or nature on earth was likely different than it is today, so that radioactive dating won't work for real time. Gilgamesh was post flood.
Nor does it disprove the tooth fairy, so? There is no proving or disproving a fairy tale.
The idea is to show they always contradict themselves and are fund liars and wrong. The years are all wrong anyhow, but within their own little belief system, the prints do not fit.
dad1
Active Member
Correct. Evolving used to be rapid though, so your point is moot. Only if evolving were slow like today would you have a point. Under the different state past laws, man lived for example about 1000 years. Plants grew fast. You cannot hold the past to today's laws.
By the way, it is possible the prints were some ape or something also, they don't really know.
dad1
Active Member
Trying to lump the lie in with actual science eh?
How daring of you.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Source please
Yes, thus the reason the global flood is a fairy tale and evolution is not.
Contradiction is irrelevant if the claims cannot be supported in the first place.
What makes you think they do not fit? List your reasons. What makes it the case that finding partially bipedal hominin footprints that are 5.7 million years old in the Mediterranean which you consider a problem with the current understanding of human evolution?
I won't comment on your evidence free ridiculous ideas. So let's stick to the paper, what it says and why you consider it to be problem for us.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But how could you possibly know that? Source?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And how could you possibly know this? Source?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
That is a rather accurate description of the OP....
Jumi
Well-Known Member
No, I believe in both scientific theories and see no problems with either so far, despite all the unsubstantiated claims to the contrary. Even by those who claim to be 117 years old.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
toe mae toh , toh maa toh
, they all same to me
If you don't understand how biology and classification works, then your input regarding such matters is worthless.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Baseless, unfounded gobbledygook.
Which is why your religion is still around, I guess.
You clearly don't understand how science works. Unlike religion, it doesn't just pull nonsense out of it's ***, nor does it fill in gaps with preconceptions and presumptions like religion does. It takes what data is available and draws a logical conclusion from that, and if new data becomes available, adjustments are made to the conclusion.
It's moronic to reject discoveries and findings just because they contradict some ancient fables that were concocted from the imaginations of primitive savages.
I am a non-evolution denier like you but this is actually a serious subject (when you take away the religious context). I looked at the OP link and had already heard of this from another source before this. Something doesn't seem to fit current mainstream understanding,Homework for Fellow non-evolution deniers. Please provide good evidence based refutation of the OP. The best response will get the winner tag and other good ones will get "like" tags. Let the labor day weekend anthropology competition begin!
Here's the article I had already seen before this thread. This adds to my suspicion that the past is more complicated than we know. I have now seen a list of findings that mainstream science doesn't know what to do with and they then (conveniently) get forgotten.
Fossilized Footprints in Crete
Any thoughts on this?
First
By 6 million years we already have very good evidence of upright walking bipedal hominins in Ororin of Kenya.
6-Million-Year-Old Human Ancestor 1st to Walk Upright?
To figure out if the species was bipedal, Richmond and co-author William Jungers of Stony Brook University in New York measured telltale indicators of bipedalism, such as joint size and thighbone shaft strength, and compared them to other early hominin fossils, living apes, and bones from about 130 modern humans from around the world.
O. tugenensis's thighbone, or femur, was different from that of modern humans and living apes but surprisingly similar to species that lived three to four million years later.
"It really closely resembles the thighbone structure of early hominids like Australopithecus, the species that [the well-known female specimen] 'Lucy' belongs to," Richmond said.
Donald Johanson, director of the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University and Lucy's discoverer, agreed.
"I had occasion to see the material about five years ago in Nairobi, and I was struck by the similarities—particularly between the femur and Lucy's femur," said Johanson, who was unaffiliated with the research.
Second
Sahelanthropus fossil shows that multiple hominin species existed and had a wide distribution. They were not only limited in the East African Rift Valley but ranged through much of Central and North Africa.
Toumai is a 6-7 Million Year Old Ancient Hominoid Ancestor
Third
Between 6-5 million years Northern Africa was completely contiguous with Southern Europe. What is now Sahara was then savannah, and there was no Mediterranean Sea. The basin was dry land filled with lakes and marshes.
Messinian salinity crisis - Wikipedia
The Messinian Salinity Crisis(MSC), also referred to as the Messinian Event, and in its latest stage as the Lago Mareevent, was a geological event during which the Mediterranean Sea went into a cycle of partly or nearly complete desiccationthroughout the latter part of the Messinian age of the Miocene epoch, from 5.96 to 5.33 Ma (million years ago). It ended with the Zanclean flood, when the Atlantic reclaimed the basin.[2][1]
This massive desiccation left a deep and dry basin, reaching a depth of 3 to 5 km (1.9 to 3.1 mi) below normal sea level, with a few hypersalinepockets similar to today's Dead Sea. Then, around 5.5 Ma, less dry climatic conditions resulted in the basin receiving more freshwater from rivers, progressively filling and diluting the hypersaline lakes into larger pockets of brackish water (much like today's Caspian sea). The Messinian Salinity Crisis ended with the Strait of Gibraltar finally reopening 5.33 Ma, when the Atlantic rapidly filled up the Mediterranean basin in what is known as the Zanclean flood.[4]
Conclusion
Given the above facts, there is no reason to be surprised that several hominin species had extended their ranges into well watered and forested Mediterranean basin and Southern Europe during this 5-6 million year period.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
There is much geological evidence for a flood, you just haven't bothered to research it. Virtually all cultures around the world have flood stories about a huge global flood. You aren't very familiar with creationist thought, you seem to think all creationists are "new earthers". IF humans were existed with animals the great scientific authorities say were separated from them by multiple, multiple, multiple millions of years, wouldn't that cast a little doubt on their reliability re other issues ?
Considering Jewish scripture gives the flood at around 3800 to 4300 years ago (approx.). And modern humans evolved around 200,000 years ago i would say its more evidence that the food as described in the bible is a fairy story.