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Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.
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Hi, here is a link to more direct information: Possible hominin footprints from the late Miocene (c. 5.7 Ma) of Crete?
I don't know if you can see the image above, but its the prints found. The article is an interesting read.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
~ Bertrand Russell
Original paper:
Possible hominin footprints from the late Miocene (c. 5.7 Ma) of Crete?
The two main interpretations given in the article are that this species is a hominin with a range that extends from Africa, through the Levant, and into Eastern Europe (and Crete was connected to Eastern Europe at the time of these prints). OR it could be convergent evolution from the extant European primates adapting to the increasingly drier environment of Eastern Europe. The authors clearly favor the first interpretation, but allow for the second as a way of avoiding some of the geographical difficulties (the range of the species, which has not been seen in Africa, even though later species with more ape-like feet have been).
The size of the big toe alone shows these are not 'modern human' prints. Pictures are in the article link I provided. The toe is not separated from the rest of the foot like in more ape-like feet, but still is over sized for a modern human.
Of course, this has *nothing* to do with "pre-flood" humans simply because there was no global flood at all. There is no layer of sediment of the type produced in floods between these fossil tracks and modern layers.
On the other hand, this may well extend the early range of early hominids out of Africa and into the Levant and Eastern Europe. That in itself is significant and very interesting and interfaces with questions of later mosaic evolution of humans. Again, though, this is millions of years before modern humans, or even the genus Homo.
Possible hominin footprints from the late Miocene (c. 5.7 Ma) of Crete?
The two main interpretations given in the article are that this species is a hominin with a range that extends from Africa, through the Levant, and into Eastern Europe (and Crete was connected to Eastern Europe at the time of these prints). OR it could be convergent evolution from the extant European primates adapting to the increasingly drier environment of Eastern Europe. The authors clearly favor the first interpretation, but allow for the second as a way of avoiding some of the geographical difficulties (the range of the species, which has not been seen in Africa, even though later species with more ape-like feet have been).
The size of the big toe alone shows these are not 'modern human' prints. Pictures are in the article link I provided. The toe is not separated from the rest of the foot like in more ape-like feet, but still is over sized for a modern human.
Of course, this has *nothing* to do with "pre-flood" humans simply because there was no global flood at all. There is no layer of sediment of the type produced in floods between these fossil tracks and modern layers.
On the other hand, this may well extend the early range of early hominids out of Africa and into the Levant and Eastern Europe. That in itself is significant and very interesting and interfaces with questions of later mosaic evolution of humans. Again, though, this is millions of years before modern humans, or even the genus Homo.
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Hi, here is a link to more direct information: Possible hominin footprints from the late Miocene (c. 5.7 Ma) of Crete?
I don't know if you can see the image above, but its the prints found. The article is an interesting read.
Looks like you beat me to the link!
Lucian Hodoboc
Member
What if it doesn't fit in? What if they find modern human footprints dating from before the "missing link" era?
then the scientists would come up with an "improved" theory which explains the new evidence. Its like, if you need more space you get a house extension (like convert the garage into a room) rather than demolish the whole house and start over. Scientists take what is still "good" of the old theory and add in the evidence as the basis of the new theory.
This would be more than introducing evidence to help with our scientific understanding. Finding something like that would introduce a new sci-fi drama to science.
I think you mean apes. Monkeys have tails. Sorry I get a little nitpicky sometimes.
It always amazes me that creationists don't understand the difference between monkeys and apes.
RoaringSilence
Active Member
toe mae toh , toh maa toh
, they all same to me
if god dint care about monkeys/apes why should i. someday ill eat monkey tandoori with rice.
There is no missing link, so you would have to decide what that era would be.
We would cross that bridge if it came to pass, I suppose.
Mister Silver
Faith's Nightmare
If it's not in their bible....
Lucian Hodoboc
Member
Didn't Darwin talk about one?
Yeah I know what you mean but apes show signs of self awareness and monkeys don't.toe mae toh , toh maa toh
, they all same to me
Darwin was no prophet. We learned quite a lot since his time.
Not completely clear:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110705183630.htm
While Rhesus monkeys don't pass the mirror test, they do pass other tests for self-awareness. The point: self-awareness may have many aspects.