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Mexican senate set to vote on legalization of marijuana in two weeks

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Stevicus, Oct 16, 2020.

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  1. The Artis Magistra

    The Artis Magistra Active Member

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    Could you give some specific examples, including images, what images are sorcerous and how they are thought to or meant to function?
     
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    I'll just go ahead an benefit from a chemical reaction of penicillin next time I'm feeling really sick from a bacterial infection. I also like stimulants, as it's way easier with them for me to stay on one task without wondering off to a million others. Peppermint oil I've found tends to help my stomach when it's feeling blugh.
    Usually people sometimes just feel like getting high. I sometimes do it, and I'm doing fine.
     
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    Do you mean caffeine for the stimulants, or do you mean nicotine or Adderall or something?
     
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    Basically any of those. Even low-doze nicotine lozenges and gum (I quit smoking many years ago and switched to vaping, and quit that a couple years ago).
     
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    That is pretty cool, I didn't know that even nicotine could, as a stimulate, help people feel sharper or concentrate better and make their efficiency increase. Are there particular types of tasks that stimulants, even nicotine, seem to help with more than others? It might be too private, but I ask all sorts of people since I like to learn a lot about these things in detail and get the inside scoop about their real effects and how people feel and what they go through on them, but have you used a variety of different sort of drugs (I also ask people because I have no personal direct experience taking drugs except some things while in the hospital mainly, and besides that my exposure is through asking questions of people and the reports from my medical doctor mother dealing with various patients since Hawaii is full of drug users of all sorts, so I get to hear stories about users and what its doing to them and also their families and all that)? Like, cocaine, meth amphetamines, then there are weirder ones that came out later and sort of after my time which I haven't spoken to people using them, like weird names I heard coming out of Florida or something.

    I got to hear about cocaine from some people, but I hear everyone's personal stories if I can to see the similarities and differences. I've also found out about psych medicines and some of them which seemed to cause people terrifying memory lapses and gaps, and also got to watch them on the drugs, interacting with me, and how it seemed to alter personality, alter decisions (sometimes making extremely dangerous or insane seeming decisions while in the dream-like detached influence of the drug seemingly). I forgot some of the names though. My father was always smoking and drinking caffeine (I think he still drinks caffeine) all my growing up years, and my sister seemed to be pretty dependent on caffeine, and also took ephedra for a while. Everything has an effect though, normal salt, soy lecithin also effects the mood and mood chemicals (more notably in males probably since they might not be used to the estrogenic type effects or influence on the thyroid).

    Anyway, if you or anyone else would like to list all the drugs you've ever taken and how they effected you and what they are good for and why they might be not good or bad sometimes or the risks or side effects experienced, that could be really informative.

    I also heard a lot about various club drugs and hallucinogens, from various people including a friend of mine who was in contact with a big time drug user who became their dealer as well, and used the drugs initially to basically drug and rape my friend, even though they don't consider it a rape really, even though I'm pretty certain putting in drugs in someone's drink that leads to them becoming totally drugged and basically incapacitated and then immediately proceeding to touching them and having sex with them while they were in this state, is pretty much totally rape. Drugs are used in a lot of messed up sex cases or crimes. They had saved the guy (based on me telling them to) from a drug overdose and suicide attempt, and so then this guy invited her over to thank them for saving his life (she hadn't known him very well or anything, but watched him basically overdose online and I told her to find out somehow how to save him and a mutual contact in the UK was used to get the police over there somehow, it was really difficult but saved his life). Anyway, then she got all these various drugs that he kept basically testing on her, and I tried to convince her to get away from him, he mailed over cocaine dangerous even after they separated out, and then he finally died by falling and hitting his head (while on drugs no doubt), and I was quite pleased since he was a freaking menace.

    That is why I really don't feel too bad when they say tons and tons of drug users are basically dying off all across Canada. I had one totally messed up guy fall on me really hard and I couldn't even lift him up in case he had needles somewhere on his body or pockets and could get poked and diseased for life. I actually really despise drug dealers and their addict slaves who I've seen making a mess of everything wherever they seem to be, and terrorizing beautiful Hawaii and terrorizing Canada. I would look out the window in my neighborhood in Canada and month after month it was getting worse and nothing was being done, in the middle of the night some guy was walking like a zombie down the road, others broke into my apartment building smashing the glass door after yanking on it for like an hour, only to fart inside the building after being unable to break into some old man's apartment. The more I think about it, the more I think about how much trauma and fear these drug users have caused, harm to themselves and others or just chaos by being erratic and out of control, and how much I really genuinely hate them and wish they would stop or just die off or something.
     
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    every casualty in the war on drugs is a victim of the system that failed, since it declared war, on people, discriminating against such people and offering zero solutions that actually helped any of those those people, merely a harsh whip of discipline that was always destined to fail to achieve the stated goals.
    it is such hypocrisy, and if one studies the history of prohibition laws, they never work, only exacerbate an already existing problem..very much like chemotherapy.....barbarous solutions that are often worse than the affliction.

    just think, every leprous "druggy" seen was once someones child who deserved love and likely never found any....so they look to anything that provides even a facsimile that is reasonable to them....it makes them "feel" good for a moment in their otherwise bleak and empty lives.
    [people really need to develop some basic human compassion, now that would be really god-like and would do more to convince skeptics than all the fancy arguments that convince only the simple]
     
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    I think there are enough leprous druggies to offer each other compassion, at all hours of the day and night, right outside my door and window, loudly, taking drugs and talking about their problems and how they've hurt numerous people every week (that actual content of the conversation I've overheard and they were sympathetically being listened to be other drug users huddled up with them). Furthermore, they take advantage of the "compassionate" (fools), since they love their drugs and destructive menacing more than they do having any dignity or respect for people or property or even the existence of other people. Chemotherapy has saved many lives, including my own (unfortunate, since I'm such a callous person that I want druggies to cease to exist and to stop robbing and menacing and causing numerous problems in the places I've lived, all the places I've lived). Chemotherapy is a treatment meant to kill cancer, and drug use and addiction is like a cancer. So maybe the solution is giving chemotherapy to drug addicts.

    I find that most of the sympathy comes from the drug users and criminals themselves, and not from the people victimized by them, or whose communities and families were destroyed by drug users, or who have personal stories about the numerous times these poor and unfortunate "my mommy didn't hug me" (actually they often have mommy's who did huge them and even paid them or were otherwise robbed by them for their drug habits and criminal activities) miscreants causing widespread chaos at all hours and leaving people feeling unsafe.

    Yeah, the system has failed them, as drugs are allowed inside and often even legalized and freely used, leading to absolutely tremendous amounts of domestic violence, crimes of all sorts including sexual crimes and the spread of disease, and its just a horror story, and these people who had no regard for their own bodies, also have no regard for anyone else or their bodies too. My family has been robbed, I've been menaced multiple times, and really I have no sympathy for the scum bags. They are human trash, and anyone who thinks they aren't maybe hasn't lived in places turned to hell with drug users and criminality much, or are otherwise one of the punks themselves, since the people who deserve sympathy are the ones who did no wrong to themselves or others but are wronged by selfish creeps who want to yell and smash glass outside and smoke into every window. Now I'm going to eat an apple. A druggy might choose instead to destroy their bodies with legal or illegal substances like alcohol or marijuana (which also, as harmless as people say it is, seems from my experience with neighbors and others using it, something they repeatedly use almost addictively which makes them obnoxious as all hell and disregarding everyone and everything around them, and being huge jerks basically, maybe all the stress and pain they are trying to avoid was keeping them more in check).
     
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    and all these social dis-eases are attributable to the system of prohibition, end that and see improvements.....ah but it has been over 80 yrs [so they are way deep in it at this point]...and the system is self admitted unwilling to give up their cash cow since there is "too much money in it".... so who is the real addict and isn't power the real drug in the end?
     
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    Yeah, the government and corporations don't care about people, only the perpetuation of their State and System and income robbing people even if it costs lives or destroys people, but many drugs are legal and legally given to people which also destroy them and cause great harm, such as alcohol and pain killer medications that contain opioids or opiates or whatever. There are some who are fine, maybe even most, who use these things, but really they have done a tremendous amount of harm, so legalization of these things or their legal use or asking people to be responsible with them has seemingly failed, as many are not, so we have the nutcase drivers I witnessed in Hawaii or the numerous accidents I saw in Vancouver, and the tons of domestic violence and animal abuse even I saw in Hawaii, and drunken or drug induced battles I saw on the neighborhood streets of little Marpole in Vancouver, a place that was seemingly peaceful and fine until bit by bit more and more drugs and alcohol users and younger people who use them were coming in, and even animal abuse and violence started there, because these drugs mess with the minds of people and their self-control and behaviors, then there were also terrible sex crimes and weirdos running around showing their genitals to strangers leading up to touching and then rape attempts, the whole place fell apart in a matter of a few years all of a sudden, and drugs and alcohol seemed to play a big factor in it, also marijuana, since some of the people doing all these crimes or getting into these accidents were openly using marijuana almost non-stop and then somehow smashing bottles and getting into fights right on the balcony or menacing an already annoying and terroristic mentally ill neighbor they started a war with, so they would march on top of his ceiling which was their floor, seemingly to terrorize him, and then he had a stroke (but he was a bad person himself, who probably should've been in an institute except that there was de-institutionalization and leaving the severely mentally ill to take care of themselves), So that guy, who maybe wasn't taking his medications or they weren't working, would without having ever seen me or heard me or anything as I was totally silent and all alone, would hear things in the walls or something and bang on the walls threatening to cut my head off or murder me or whoever was on the other side of the walls, and also would fight with a demon called Azmayel and perform rituals with their "magical pen-tack uhl" (they would pronounce it weirdly like that), and yelling and chanting all the time, so year after year I became more and more bitter and learned to hate people more and more.

    I have a very poor opinion of the "mentally ill" and de-institutionalization, and I have a very poor opinion also regarding the drug users (legal or illegal) who were basically causing tons of trouble and chaos everywhere and doing all sorts of criminal things while fueled by drugs or otherwise for drugs and to continue with drugs. I think many of the people who get into drugs are also probably mentally ill as well, but avoiding treatment or doctors and sort of self-medicating through alcohol or drugs or whatever. Anyway, because of all the menacing, all the terror, all the fear they cause, all the instability, all the threatening behaviors, accidents, death and destruction left in their wake, I just learned to hate them so much more than people who don't make my life suck so much that I could barely step outside or go get groceries without some wacko potentially trying to rob me or beg or pull a knife. There were even people in some places like Winnipeg menacing people with syringes and needles, so seriously, my thought was eff them, I hate them so much. Any person these "failed" basts would find to harass or make excuses to intimidate. I remember this one kid, little kid, for no reason I just got off a train in Winnipeg to look around and within two seconds this kid was yelling trying to get into a fight with me and seemed completely unhinged, I just ignored them, but what a way to make someone uncomfortable and feel tense, and that sort of thing was everywhere. Edmonton was full of crazy drugged people and scariness, and as soon as it went dark it was like Silent Hill when the siren goes off and every scary creature crawls out of the woodworks, drugs and the people who use them SUCK!
     
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    personal anecdote... i have been managing pain for the past year without opiates or analgesics..... [work related pre-existing condition.....] and wonderful news, the medical industry offers no cure, no solution, only management schemes [for this sitution].... what to do then.....become a pharma-junkie for the rest of the life? addicted to the pain-managers which one develops tolerance to and dissolves ones presence into a hazy shadow of their former selves?
    so for 4 months I endured the pain, become very intimate with it, no escape..... 24-7 for months in waves.....[kind of like having a live tazer stuck to ones body and being left on....
    some days I probably would have taken an offered relief, but it is fleeting...... no solution there.....
    interestingly enough, the traditions of man hold more than people think......and as I passed the time I found something, it works and provides relief, real for me, so do I care of anothers opinion then? not a chance.
    that is evidence to me personally, in my jurisdiction [sui juris]
    the pain hasn't gone....neither the condition, but the days have become tolerable, some even pleasant at times again...... but it is a losing battle in the end, however I have proved something, to myself if to no one else.
    edit-i have used cannabis....and it provides some relief..... and is non addictive in my opinion, from personal experience..... since it isn't necessary, it is sometimes a comfort though as it helps one to focus the mind on something else, which oddly enough dissipates one's awareness of pain.....however I loath crutches
     
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    For things like ADHD, even caffeine can help. They arent as good as medications, but they help.
     
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    I just try to exercise daily and lift weights 2-3 times a week. I can tell a major shift in having more pain since the gyms were shut, and even more yet as the wildfires raged through here, making the airquality too poor to go outside for exercise.
     
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    it works, a stoics path, but yielding results.
    I spent months working in the woods, pruning, chipping.......in the snow for months...[a chip-awaean].. a good diversion in the outdoors working the land, rejuvenating....people can say what they wish, but it is a unique experience in this world of suburbia to be out in nature and just breathe and feel and do the simple task of working with the land, combing out mother natures hair to turn a phrase.
     
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    I'm in pain too and I avoid medicines and drugs and fear them and only if ever take them as an absolute last resort and necessity if ever, but also set the bar high for what qualifies as worthy of taking any medicine, but other people seem to pop pills like a joke and not care at all or do it for no good reason even. I had the fear of drugs instilled in me by various means but my mother as a doctor never seemed fond of getting anyone to rely on drugs much and saw the damages they could do to the body and the caution they should be treated with and why they should be mainly avoided for the most part, so that might have influenced it as well, but I'm a person who is pretty cautious about my body anyway and others seem not to care so much about risk taking with their one apparent vessel they have to use. I'm scared of doing dangerous stunts, anything that risks injury or soberness or whatever.
     
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    it isn't fear in my case, prudence [better word], since the opiates are debilitating for me personally..... I would rather remain lucid and functional.....oddly cannabis does assist with that, but not all types or forms and it too loses efficacy with repeated use, so it is a handy item in the medicine bag, but it is just that a food/medicine.
    what man has the right to cover another man's mouth in eating what works to make them able?
    prohibition laws in the bible are said to be having merely the appearance of wisdom, but having no force or effect in any real meaningful way, rather it is depicted as being a kind of capricious mental illness to seek to prohibit other men regarding questions of conscience.
    Only the wicked would ever take such a path.
    a few thoughts on the topic.
    :)
     
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    And me, having only known rural Heartland, coming to the city is exhilarating. The air is especially crappy--especially here--especially now--but I'm loving it. There's stuff to do when there isn't a pandemic, lol.
     
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    You really don't know very much about people who use drugs. It's sad that you think you do.
     
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    Apparently, the best you can do is live in a neighborhood infested with "leprous druggies". You, who are against drugs and don't use them, should have been able to do better in life. Yet...
     
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    I didn't use the term leprous druggies first, I was repeating what someone else had said (I think they said it sarcastically and don't actually think of them as leprous). I've had an experience with an actual crazed leper though. they were so scary looking and touching everything in a dollar theatre, it seems their untreated leprosy had reached their brain and now they were hell bent on freely infecting as many others as possible, like it had taken over their mind, they were doing this at a dollar theatre in Hawaii. Leprosy is even treatable, so its possible they were hiding their conditions until it was so far gone, their skin was all wet looking and melting looking almost and their skin was ghost like and white.

    I had to move to Marpole as an emergency when the United States would not let me return into it, and my mother was a medical doctor in Hawaii (all of Hawaii has fallen apart, but my mother worked in and treated the people of Waianae and Kapolei).

    Over there, the beautiful beaches in front of our home were overtaken by ugly tents full of homeless people and drug users, and then when I ended up in Marpole unexpectedly it was a very fine and beautiful place, and only later became increasingly infested with dirtbags (maybe they could hang out with you in your big mansion?).

    Then I moved away from Marpole over here across the country, after a cross country trip, here is better than what that place became and was becoming in just 5 years or so of my being there in Vancouver, but still, there are annoying drug types that roam in and out (far less than Vancouver though, but still causing trouble), and my next plan is to leave the apartment lifestyle and try to get into a nice house out of the way of all these types of people if possible, and then move my stuff from all my various living locations to my new home when I get it. I am currently continuing to pay my rent in Vancouver, as well as here, and my Vancouver unit is left derelict without me able to return due to the Covid stuff and their making re-entry to this region very difficult and travel a big hassle too through each region. It is expensive to rent multiple apartments in big expensive cities. The fact that druggie scum are wandering into these places and bothering people who have gotten their properties and are paying high prices for them is a big nuisance. How would you like that you live in a place that is nice and pretty and pay a lot too, and then these freaks start coming in and breaking your doors and windows and yelling in the streets and basically gradually flooding the area with their presence or activities and it just keeps getting worse year by year. Its not easy to just move around as soon as jackasses start wandering in yelling on the sidewalks.

    So what do you have to say for yourself now? Having a fine time in your mansion?
     
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    In your experience, what are the good types of marijuana and the bad types or types that didn't seem to work as well. I like learning such things, just so I know and understand more about the reactions people have to the variations and how some can be helpful even in sharpening people or making them efficient or whatever.
     
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