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Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and his brother fired and escorted out of White House.

Cooky

Veteran Member
Who else wants to ignore me, eh..? Line up, and hit that ignore button. Go ahead. I like it.
 
It's a fact. Many people found a huge problem with that call. Many of them testified, saying exactly that.

Funny how nobody on the side defending Trump ever acknowledges that practically every single person who listened in on that call thought it was problematic. Funny thing, that.

I think another poster just showed you that Vindman didn't leak anything.

Yes, POTUS often replaces people. Duh. But not in such a vengeful, vindictive manner. Talk about missing the point.
It is funny how no one on the side defending Trump acknowledges how inappropriate the call was, according to many in Trump’s own orbit, isn’t it?

Again, as always, I am reminded of the indulgent parents of a spoiled toddler. They are so concerned with making sure the child isn’t punished by unfair teachers at school, that they never get around to punishing the child themselves ... at all. It’s fascinating to me how people who claim they don’t necessarily support Trump or his behavior, nevertheless tenaciously defend him against any criticism they perceive to be unfair ... and conveniently forget to even address whether Trump’s behavior was worthy of any criticism - at all. Which completely misses the point.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
He didn't mess up. He reported the unusual call, as he should have. And as others did.

He didn't report to his superior nor the IG. He talked to lawyer and a person he wont identify. That is him messing up. He said as much in the hearing if you watched it.More so he refuses to identify the 3rd person even though Vindman says he does not know the whistle blower. Ergo another judgement issue.



You seem oblivious as to how this is different from "maintaining employment" in a private sector job.

Wrong. My point is solid especially considering Vindman was in the military. Try again. Look up insubordination and try again.

The government works for the people, not the individual President.

So? There is a procedure to follow which Vindman didn't. He messed up.
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
It's a fact. Many people found a huge problem with that call. Many of them testified, saying exactly that.

So? Having an issue does not make something illegal nor impeachable


Funny how nobody on the side defending Trump ever acknowledges that practically every single person who listened in on that call thought it was problematic. Funny thing, that.

Wrong. 3 people were present on the call. Only one, Vindman, had an issue. Watch the hearing again.

I think another poster just showed you that Vindman didn't leak anything.


Wrong

Yes, POTUS often replaces people. Duh. But not in such a vengeful, vindictive manner. Talk about missing the point.

You seem to ignore judgement issues which Vindman has and that his opinion let to a failed impeachment. His judgement is questionable thus is grounds for removal.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It is funny how no one on the side defending Trump acknowledges how inappropriate the call was, according to many in Trump’s own orbit, isn’t it?

Again, as always, I am reminded of the indulgent parents of a spoiled toddler. They are so concerned with making sure the child isn’t punished by unfair teachers at school, that they never get around to punishing the child themselves ... at all. It’s fascinating to me how people who claim they don’t necessarily support Trump or his behavior, nevertheless tenaciously defend him against any criticism they perceive to be unfair ... and conveniently forget to even address whether Trump’s behavior was worthy of any criticism - at all. Which completely misses the point.
Amazing, isn't it?
:shrug:
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
He didn't report to his superior nor the IG. He talked to lawyer and a person he wont identify. That is him messing up. He said as much in the hearing if you watched it.More so he refuses to identify the 3rd person even though Vindman says he does not know the whistle blower. Ergo another judgement issue.
John Kelly says he did exactly what people in his position are trained to do in that situation. In other words, he did the right thing.
I'm gonna go with his opinion over yours, I think.

Wrong. My point is solid especially considering Vindman was in the military. Try again. Look up insubordination and try again.
John Kelly disagrees on this one too.
He says they are trained to refuse to follow illegal orders. Again, he says Vindman did the right thing.


So? There is a procedure to follow which Vindman didn't. He messed up.
See above.
 
John Kelly says he did exactly what people in his position are trained to do in that situation. In other words, he did the right thing.
I'm gonna go with his opinion over yours, I think.


John Kelly disagrees on this one too.
He says they are trained to refuse to follow illegal orders. Again, he says Vindman did the right thing.



See above.
Okay, but did General Kelly look up insubordination? Tell him it’s a military term. (facepalm)

I guess we’ve moved on from smearing Vindman for “leaking”, since that’s clearly false.

Maybe he was fired for wearing his uniform and asking to be addressed by his rank instead of “Mister”. That’s not allowed in the military. Look it up. (double facepalm)
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Okay, but did General Kelly look up insubordination? Tell him it’s a military term. (facepalm)

I guess we’ve moved on from smearing Vindman for “leaking”, since that’s clearly false.

Maybe he was fired for wearing his uniform and asking to be addressed by his rank instead of “Mister”. That’s not allowed in the military. Look it up. (double facepalm)

Hey, dude. Good morning!
:hugehug:
 
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