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This deal is a disaster and I hope they vote it down, which is looking likely. After that, given how chaotic this is, is anyone's guess.Any ideas how you think it will go ... other than a total cluster ...
They put Remainers in charge of having us leave. They took two years to come up with a deal that puts us in an even worse position. They should have put a Leaver in charge.At the risk of getting my knackers shot off, what went wrong with Brexit? Elizabeth May?
It's very civilised. Watch.The real question is will it actually be a debate or will it turn into people screaming at each other in British? European politics hasn't to my knowledge turned into the spectacle that American politics are, so I'll go with the former. Hopefully.
English parliament can get incredibly raucous.The real question is will it actually be a debate or will it turn into people screaming at each other in British? European politics hasn't to my knowledge turned into the spectacle that American politics are, so I'll go with the former. Hopefully.
Fine! Parliament can get incredibly raucous in a very civilized way! (As only the English can pull off.)It's very civilised. Watch.
I was shocked that the US has nothing like Prime Minister's Questions or such live debates like we have. I think that's a bit closed off to their public.English parliament can get incredibly raucous.
Fine! Parliament can get incredibly raucous in a very civilized way! (As only the English can pull off.)
I don't pretend to understand quaint little countries that I see as a tourists destination.At the risk of getting my knackers shot off, what went wrong with Brexit? Elizabeth May?
No, this is rubbish. If we didn't want Brexit we wouldn't have voted for it. Very simple. What we don't want is the PM's proposed Brexit deal, or her to remain PM, and instead want to get on with leaving, ratify trade deals &c. &c.But isn't the problem that most Brits didn't want Brexit, despite the vote?
Then they should have voted. End of story.Who is "we"? My recollection is that a small majority opposed it, but failed to vote.
The British people are not the British government.But if so, why is there a problem now? If "we" Brits want Brexit, then just get on with it.
We had the discussion long before the vote. We knew exactly what it meant. I take exception to people basically telling us Leavers that we didn't know what we were doing and couldn't vote like adults. We can and we did.So, this discussion would have been more useful prior to the vote? That was my point. Brexit was put to a vote without the voters knowing what it meant. Now, that's a problem.
So why is there a problem?Then they should have voted. End of story.
So why are you having problems getting consensus on what Brexit means now?We knew exactly what it meant.
No, the problem is the government's response to the vote. We have a government led by a Remainer who appears to be doing everything she can to keep us in the EU. This is not what we voted for.But if "we" Brits agreed to Brexit then there wouldn't be a problem. Now would there?
The problem is that "we" Brits didn't agree.
Was she appointed by the Queen, or was she elected by the same people who voted in Brexit?We have a government led by a Remainer who appears to be doing everything she can to keep us in the EU.
She was appointed first by her own party after Cameron left because of the result, as he was a Remainer, as part of an interparty vote. She then called a general election, wherein she lost more seats than she gained, but because of how our system works she stayed in power in a 'Confidence and Supply' deal with the DUP, a fringe Northern Irish party who she needed to join with in order to keep her small majority in Parliament. So strictly speaking she lost her majority, needs another party to prop her up, and as far as the British are concerned (or many of us) wasn't really put there by us, but by her own party with the support of a then unknown fringe party no-one voted for.Was she appointed by the Queen, or was she elected by the same people who voted in Brexit?
She was appointed first by her own party after Cameron left because of the result, as he was a Remainer, as part of an interparty vote. She then called a general election, wherein she lost more seats than she gained, but because of how our system works she stayed in power in a 'Confidence and Supply' deal with the DUP, a fringe Northern Irish party who she needed to join with in order to keep her small majority in Parliament. So strictly speaking she lost her majority, needs another party to prop her up, and as far as the British are concerned (or many of us) wasn't really put there by us, but by her own party with the support of a then unknown fringe party no-one voted for.
I'm not sure I agree given what's been happening in France recently.The real question is will it actually be a debate or will it turn into people screaming at each other in British? European politics hasn't to my knowledge turned into the spectacle that American politics are, so I'll go with the former. Hopefully.
Given what's likely to happen to the UK itself with Scotland wanting to be part of the EU, I'm guessing that once breaking apart starts it will continue.Like I said, I don't pretend to understand the nuances of what's going on.
I hope that your dissolution of the Union goes better than the one that happened here in the USA in the mid 19th century. It was unpleasant.
Tom