What do you believe is the "hidden message" here?
Do you donate to VA(or what VA runs)?
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Liberals: Do you donate to the government?
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Sinks Canyon
Member
Where do you get the idea that liberals or progressives say this? Please provide your source. I find it right leaning offensive and propaganda pushing.
Oneatatime
Huh?
Whose the dumb one? The person who goes to work 5 days a week and pays taxes and national insurance, or the person who collects benefits and pays nothing? Granted its a rubbish life on benefits but for some its enough.
Crystallas
Active Member
IDK where this post is headed. I donate to charity, and I'm involved in a big-brother program. I'm a libertarian, not a liberal though.
Sure you are...you're the original (ie, classical) liberal.
We should re-take this word for our own.
Yes. It's called income tax.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
I'm actually considering tithing to the government, in order to counteract the bad karma (for lack of a better term) my parents generate by donating to a church. A couple weeks ago, my pastor explicitly advocated convincing people to go to the church for aid instead of the government (he's talking about people who had lost their homes in the tornado here). The church wants to take over the government's job (the pastor's message barely even matters, the churches had already secured a near-monopoly of the volunteer industry from the start)!
Our government may not be the most competent institution in the world, but at least I can trust it to spend the money on actually helping disaster victims instead of spreading lies. The church helps people, yes, but they do it because they know it puts people in a vulnerable position morally and ideologically (or, as my pastor would likely phrase it, "it gives us a great opportunity to witness to them and show them the good message of Jesus").
So, I want to do my part and help the government in the coming war with the church.
Unfortunately, as of yet, I have no idea where to go to donate to the government. Any ideas?
Our government may not be the most competent institution in the world, but at least I can trust it to spend the money on actually helping disaster victims instead of spreading lies. The church helps people, yes, but they do it because they know it puts people in a vulnerable position morally and ideologically (or, as my pastor would likely phrase it, "it gives us a great opportunity to witness to them and show them the good message of Jesus").
So, I want to do my part and help the government in the coming war with the church.
Unfortunately, as of yet, I have no idea where to go to donate to the government. Any ideas?
What makes you think the gov't & the church aren't on the same side?
Many lefties I know say that we (Americans) aren't taxed enuf. My source? Those who tell me this.
The question as I see it....
They want to impose upon us involuntary contributions (ie, taxes) to government,
but do they themselves practice voluntary contributions (ie, donations) to government?
The subtext as I see it....
Do they contribute only when under a system which forces all to do so?
Do they contribute only when they can make the other guy do it too?
The OP reminds me of a friend who votes for big government candidates & for every
tax increase, yet he aggressively plays the game to minimize his personal tax liability.
Challenging questions are often offensive.....even revolting.
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Gifts to the United States Government: Questions and Answers: Financial Management Service
That gives you the address and how to make out the check.
That gives you the address and how to make out the check.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
Because the church explicitly advocates assimilating the government, it inherently cannot be at peace with the government. If the government knows what's good for it and the country it's supposed to be running (and it generally knows the former), it won't easily cave in.
I intend on donating to either disaster relief or education so as to minimize right-wing influence (a general donation may be funneled into war efforts or used to subsidize businesses, or worse, religious charities).
And heck, if this plan doesn't work, there's always my micronation.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
Coincidentally, I found that same page a few days ago when I attempted to look it up, but I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with the information. Is it possible to send money directly in the mail? I always thought that the post-office couldn't be trusted with cash, and as embarrassing as this is, I have no clue how to write a check (or a letter, for that matter. No one bothered to teach me this kind of stuff in school.).
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Nah. Donation isn't forced. You are punished for not paying taxes.
Make a check out to who it says, mail it to the address.
How to Write a Check - A Visual Example of how to Write a Check
Shows you how to write a check in pictures. So where it says "The Sandwich Shop" you would put "United States Treasury"...
If you want to donate to a specific department, you might have to ask them how.
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dust1n
Zindīq
Wasn't even aware you could do that... working full-time and school full-time pretty much feels up the day; the last of it usually goes to creative efforts or lying around. Never heard a public announcement asking for donations. Probably because we aren't willing to pay for the distribution of such information or vote for anyone who is. I've donated to NPR and UNICEF before, and I'd believe those both count. Hell, if I had money (which I don't), I'd donate to more, though I'd be more willing to donate to specific projects or ventures, whether public or private.
^Nobody besides Revolingtest commented on that.
This isn't just about higher wages. It's about a smarter tax system, rather than one specifically designed to reduce taxes for the wealthy like we have now.
Taxes on wages isn't the problem. The taxes on those are already progressive. I'd be in favor of increasingly them slightly, back to Clinton-Era levels. (They are currently among the lowest they have ever been in the last century.)
The problem is the various deliberate loopholes to that make the system a regressive taxation system rather than a progressive ones. Social security caps is the small one, and tax benefits on interest, dividends, stock gains, fund managers, and partnerships are the big ones. Millionaires shouldn't have a 15% tax bracket on their income while a middle-class person's paycheck faces a higher one.
You can go blind quoting yourself.
Conservatives I encounter seem to target the wrong thing. I'd like to know what their disagreement is to ending bush-era tax cuts, and if they specifically know what they disagree with and why.
Opposed, on principle. I believe taxation ought to be entirely voluntary. Yeah, I really think it could work. But probably won't go in that direction in my lifetime.
Spending is clearly the issue and we all know this. Unless something like military is going to be cut I would say in half (preferably more), then raising taxes will be necessary. Privatizing the military is always an option and not sure why a Republican would suggest otherwise.
Sure, there are other programs to consider great cuts in spending, but right about now Pubs have glaring weaknesses when it comes to spending, and once those are taken care of the spending cuts needed in domestic / Progressive budget areas can be made with authority. Right now, it is a bunch of political hypocrites playing a game that is decades old and coming to an end soon, we can only hope.