.the time when all returns to God's original purpose in Eden.
What happens if someone decides to abuse her free will again, once we all, well you all, have returned to Him?
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- viole
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.the time when all returns to God's original purpose in Eden.
"But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be CHIEF among you, let him be your SERVANT: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." Matthew 20:25-28Most churches teach that all Christians go to heaven, which means that there will be 'all chiefs and no Indians'. Rulers have to have subjects and priests need sinners for whom to perform their duties. Who will these be?
Hi Hockeycowboy,I'm sorry you've had some bad experiences with some JW's. We try to train ourselves not to be high-minded, but "with lowliness of mind considering that the others are superior to you." (Philippians 2:3) This mainly applies, though, to fellow worshippers, but more is said on this further down.
We do get upset at times with the Pharisee-like clergy of Christendom, which is not right (because, although Jesus got upset with those religious leaders in His day, he could read their heart....we can not). We don't intend to treat anyone harshly, but we are imperfect like everyone else.
We feel we have a superior way of life -- worshipping the true God, Jesus' Father, Jehovah, like no one else does today -- but that really shouldn't carry over into having a superior attitude.
The Apostle Paul gave some fine counsel to the Cretan Christians through Titus, who lived among Godless people (Titus 1:12), but they were "to speak evil of no man, not to be contentious, to be gentle, showing all meekness toward all men."(Titus 3:2) (In fact, I have a public discourse I give, containing this information.) But we face people all the time who are nasty to us, and intentionally twist our words and beliefs...so it's hard not to get irked.
We do try to imitate Jesus and apply Bible principles in every aspect of our lives, but Proverbs 15:1 often proves true,
Take care, my cousin.
The difficulty is, as you highlight above is that you assume that most people won't try to answer all of them because "they can't" OR if they do try to answer, their just trying to control the conversation. Which puts a reader of this thread like myself in a bit of a bind, coz I'm judged if I do answer and judged if I don't.Excellent questions, my Sister!
But most people won't try to answer all of them (they can't)....they'll just pick and choose some questions, and ignore the rest. Or, ignore all of them, but keep continuing to ask more, trying to control the conversation.
BTW, I really like your emoji's
What happens if someone decides to abuse her free will again, once we all, well you all, have returned to Him?
"But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be CHIEF among you, let him be your SERVANT: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." Matthew 20:25-28
The difficulty is, as you highlight above is that you assume that most people won't try to answer all of them because "they can't" OR if they do try to answer, their just trying to control the conversation. Which puts a reader of this thread like myself in a bit of a bind, coz I'm judged if I do answer and judged if I don't.
I would be happy to try and answer Deeje's questions, but I'm concerned that it will only stir up anger, regardless of how softly I try to put it. Coz as you said, JWs believe they have a superior way of life, and Deeje follows this up with saying you are all united in the same mind and judgment in comparison to fragmented Christendom who are not. All this tells a person like myself is, what is the point of answering?
I stand corrected and apologize for mishearing your statement. I had to read it a couple more times to hear it, and I realized I was misreading your words "for whom to perform their duties.""Most churches teach that all Christians go to heaven, which means that there will be 'all chiefs and no Indians'. Rulers have to have subjects and priests need sinners for whom to perform their duties. Who will these be?"
Not at all. I think this is where you are now mishearing my statement. I said:Are you worried about being judged by others?Are other POV really that intimidating?
What I meant by this is your mind is already made up so there seems no point in answering.The difficulty is, as you highlight above is that you assume that most people won't try to answer all of them because "they can't" OR if they do try to answer, their just trying to control the conversation. Which puts a reader of this thread like myself in a bit of a bind, coz I'm judged if I do answer and judged if I don't.
I agree with this 100%Isn't being judged by Jesus more important? We get one shot at this, so we have to examine things carefully.
I have the courage of my convictions and I assume that those who post on internet forums can hold their own the same way. Walking on eggshells around super-sensitive people is something I am not good at...sorry.
And likewise, I realize that there is no point in answering if all you have is your own group spin on Scripture. which is not believed by anyone else... Do you see how easy it is to write sentences like these, and to suggest so much in so few words?I was looking for a united faith like this when I was in Christendom. It ticks all the boxes for me, but if it doesn't tick the boxes for you, that is entirely your choice. You are free to believe whatever you like. But internet forums are not a good place for sensitive souls. There is no point in answering if all you have is your own personal spin on the scriptures, which is not believed by anyone else.....how do you expect that to be the truth? Doesn't simple logic tell you that we cannot be 'loners' spiritually speaking. We must find a body of believers with whom to fellowship and they must be those who are like minded. (1 Corinthians 1:10) We are told to meet with them regularly, and more especially when we behold the day of Jehovah drawing near. (Hebrews 10:24-25) In all honesty, with whom can you do that?
I would agree which is why I am not a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses.How do you remove yourself from "Babylon the great", if you don't know what it is? It is a command for God's "people", not a suggestion. (Revelation 18:4-5) Failing to obey that command has dire consequences.
Or maybe like you I have courage of convictions as well, and inevitably we clash.As I have already said, the Aussie in me doesn't tip-toe around fragile sensibilities very well. I am sorry if my directness stumbles you, but its the only way I know how to teach.
Perhaps I am just the wrong person to engage you in conversation. My brother seems to do well in that respect.
As free willed beings we can choose life or death. 'Obey and live...disobey and die.' I don't think it gets much simpler than that.
Hi Hockeycowboy,
Thanks for sharing Proverbs 15:1 coz I really needed that for encouragement.
The difficulty is, as you highlight above is that you assume that most people won't try to answer all of them because "they can't" OR if they do try to answer, their just trying to control the conversation. Which puts a reader of this thread like myself in a bit of a bind, coz I'm judged if I do answer and judged if I don't.
I would be happy to try and answer Deeje's questions, but I'm concerned that it will only stir up anger, regardless of how softly I try to put it. Coz as you said, JWs believe they have a superior way of life, and Deeje follows this up with saying you are all united in the same mind and judgment in comparison to fragmented Christendom who are not. All this tells a person like myself is, what is the point of answering?
That is funny.I assure you, we try to apply Colossians 4:6, with respectful people, anyways.
Zum Befehl, Herr Gott!
I hope you understand, but I prefer death. I could never be able to look myself in the mirror (for all eternity) for abiding to the dictates of a celestial dictator. I mean, who ordered Him?
Ciao
- viole
Zum Befehl, Herr Gott!
I hope you understand, but I prefer death. I could never be able to look myself in the mirror (for all eternity) for abiding to the dictates of a celestial dictator. I mean, who ordered Him?
I don't think it is funny that you say God will grant her wish to rather die.Not even the most benevolent dictator in existence?
Don't worry, he will never give you something you don't want....your wish will be granted.
And yet while you are alive here on Earth you are subject to the law just like everyone else. You obey the law here but would rather die than obey God's law in the next life. This is most interesting.
Apology accepted. I try to do the same and likewise apologise if I have also failed.I'm afraid you misunderstood (or maybe I misunderstood)....there's nothing wrong with answering! In fact, we appreciate it. What I was saying was different....as you said, "if they do try to answer, their just trying to control the conversation." No..... I stated that certain ones don't answer (ignoring them), yet ask further questions. That's where the control comes in.
But answering questions with respect and sincerity.....why should this "stir up anger"? I assure you, we try to apply Colossians 4:6, with respectful people, anyways.
If we have failed, I'm sure I speak for Deeje in apologizing.
I find it disgusting that a professing follower of Christ would give such a loveless and mocking answer!Not even the most benevolent dictator in existence?
Don't worry, he will never give you something you don't want....your wish will be granted.
Did Jesus Christ threaten anyone with death?
I find it disgusting that a professing follower of Christ would give such a loveless and mocking answer!
"But Isaiah is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me." Romans 10:20
Jesus said:
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die." John 12:32-33
I see no dictator here, or here:
"Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" Romans 2:4
What is "grace"?.....maybe you need to answer that question first? It isn't the basis for an excuse that we can offer to God for why we failed to obey him."Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that THE LONGSUFFERING OF OUR LORD IS SALVATION; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in ALL HIS EPISTLES, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:14-16
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
OK. Is that the best you have?“Serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of Ge·henʹna?"
It isn't a threat...it is the consequence of disobeying God.