Leftists suggest re-education camps, firing squads, banning talk radio to deprogram Trump supporters

[Goddess Kit]

Nobody said unlimited, if " even " democrats embraced such an idea they are stupid.

Are you suggesting r people do image and d people do substance?

If it seems that way, why the defense?

 

[Audie]

If it seems that way, why the defense?

Sorry ah, you totally lost me, no idea what seems what way,, what you are asking

 

[Audie]

Careful there with that "you" bizness.
(I'm a libertarian, not a conservative.)
Yours can also be seen as the dark side....
- Wanting socialism
- Having opposed gay marriage
- Wanting a more powerful (authoritian) central government
- Speech regulation
- Opposing some constitutional civil liberties
- Anti-capitalist agenda
- Pro-war
- Pro-military draft...& males only
- Treating blacks as guaranteed Democrat voters
- Hostile & abusive towards other beliefs & values

Your side has advocated & advanced many things I find utterly evil.
Even so, I don't judge the individual liberal by this.
We are all individuals...not the worst or best of groups we're assigned to.

Sage

 

[Revoltingest]

Sage

Parsley, rosemary, & thyme too!

 

[Audie]

Parsley, rosemary, & thyme too!

You got in a lot of seasonings the unrefined palate will miss.

 

[Stevicus]

You really take that serious?
Put up a thread asking "how do you deprogram 75 million people?" and you'll get similar answers. And very few would mean it.

Do I take it serious? I don't take the individual personalities seriously, but I look at the content of the ideas and try to gauge just what direction people are going. In some ways, I'm not terribly surprised that there might be an increase and escalation in this kind of rhetoric, considering how things have generally been these past years (or even decades, for that matter).

I honestly don't know what some people are going to do. We have a half-crazed, heavily armed society here. If someone makes idle, crazy threats over the internet, in most cases, they're probably not really serious or genuine threats.

But what strikes me about it is the mental process at work, and I've seen this quite a bit when people lambaste Trump supporters. It's as if they believe they don't "think correctly" or maybe that there's something wrong with their brains. It comes off very arrogant and condescending. Republicans have done the same thing as well, so the phenomenon seems common to politics in general.

I think that both sides have been arguing with each other for so long that they're adopting each other's tactics. This isn't really about ideology anymore.

 

[Stevicus]

I just read some coverage of Giuliani's antics...a sweaty eruption
over plots by various countries to install Biden. And my friend
who reports on rightish talk radio tells me of the massive vote
fraud everywhere to upend Trump's landslide victory. (Judges
who say no evidence presented are part of the conspiracy.)
And then on the other side we have rabid hostilities towards
any & every who aren't anti-Trumpers.
Alternate realities they indeed are.

I think most of this will probably subside eventually. I don't think it will come down to some kind of major upheaval, not unless someone is forming some secret army that's not being reported on. There's only so much that Trump can actually do in this situation. Most of his supporters will eventually accept the results and get on with their lives. That's another reason the Democrats may have picked Biden, since they generally tend to go for the "safe" candidate.

It would have been much different if Kanye West had been elected. That would mean Kim Kardashian would become First Lady. The whole country would plunge into chaos.

 

[Heyo]

What gets me is how people can be reasonable in aspects of their lives except when it comes to something like politics. The best human way I can express it is that you conservatives are the dark side of the force while the democrats are the proper opposite.

Nope. The proper antonym for conservative is progressive. Democrats are the political opposition to republicans.
The majority of politicians in the democratic party are conservatives.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think most of this will probably subside eventually. I don't think it will come down to some kind of major upheaval, not unless someone is forming some secret army that's not being reported on. There's only so much that Trump can actually do in this situation. Most of his supporters will eventually accept the results and get on with their lives. That's another reason the Democrats may have picked Biden, since they generally tend to go for the "safe" candidate.

It would have been much different if Kanye West had been elected. That would mean Kim Kardashian would become First Lady. The whole country would plunge into remain in chaos.

Fixed.

 

[Stevicus]

I'd say that was among the least of the reasons that the US was not succeeding.

Well, it certainly wasn't the only reason.

 

[Regiomontanus]

We don't assume that Biden voters are pro-war, anti-school integration,
racists just because that's who he is. Voting for so-&-so for President
doesn't define the voter....it can be complicated.

A vote does not define the voter.

The question I have really struggled with: is it possible to be both a good person and a person who supports evil? It seems contradictory.

I have stuggled with this because very old, dear friends of mine have become deranged cultists, blindly defending Trump. Yet I always knew them to be, at heart, good people. How can this be?

At the end of the day I just have to love them and pray for them. There is no talking with them rationally. It is all very depressing.

 

[Revoltingest]

The question I have really struggled with: is it possible to be both a good person and a person who supports evil? It seems contradictory.

I have stuggled with this because very old, dear friends of mine have become deranged cultists, blindly defending Trump. Yet I always knew them to be, at heart, good people. How can this be?

At the end of the day I just have to love them and pray for them. There is no talking with them rationally. It is all very depressing.

Is it that they can't talk to you,
or that you can't talk to them?

Several posters here have told me that because I voted for Trump (in 2016),
I must be paid no attention, or I cannot be a friend, or that I'm a racist, or
that I'm a fundie fascist. The reason they cannot talk to me is that they
are too filled with prejudice, anger, & hatred.
You can talk to anyone willing to talk.
But their willingness depends upon yours.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Is it that they can't talk to you,
or that you can't talk to them?

Several posters here have told me that because I voted for Trump (in 2016),
I must be paid no attention, or I cannot be a friend, or that I'm a racist, or
that I'm a fundie fascist. The reason they cannot talk to me is that they
are too filled with prejudice, anger, & hatred.
You can talk to anyone willing to talk.
But their willingness depends upon yours.

I hear what you are saying. I hope I am not like that - there is certainly no hate on my part.

 

[Audie]

The question I have really struggled with: is it possible to be both a good person and a person who supports evil? It seems contradictory.

I have stuggled with this because very old, dear friends of mine have become deranged cultists, blindly defending Trump. Yet I always knew them to be, at heart, good people. How can this be?

At the end of the day I just have to love them and pray for them. There is no talking with them rationally. It is all very depressing.

Was Kennedy evil?

 

[Audie]

I hear what you are saying. I hope I am not like that - there is certainly no hate on my part.

If not hate what is it you feel toward evil ?
I have met evil fsce to face, somehow survived.

Hate isn't a strong enough word.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Was Kennedy evil?

Kennedy?

 

[Regiomontanus]

If not hate what is it you feel toward evil ?
I have met evil fsce to face, somehow survived.

Hate isn't a strong enough word.

No hate on my part...towards my friends. And I am called to love even my enemies.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hear what you are saying. I hope I am not like that - there is certainly no hate on my part.

Good to hear. In these difficult times, it can be difficult
to draw others into interesting civil discussion. But it
can be done.

 

[Stevicus]

I am going to attempt to be serious for a moment, but merely a moment.

Imagine being of the mind of one who accepts the kind of liberal policies that help people rather than corporations. Imagine being a liberal minded minority in a conservative family. Essentially, due to the policies most conservatives find themselves advocating simply because they support the Republican candidate, imagine how the liberal minded family member must feel: my family is voting against me. They have so little love for me, they would vote for policies that harm me.

People tend to vote based on what they fear, not on what they love. I can say that, in my own family, my mother's side of the family were liberal West Coast Democrats, and my father's side of the family were conservative Bible Belt Republicans. So, I've seen both sides, and I don't necessarily see either side as evil people - even if they might disagree and argue with each other. Even if they were evil, they probably wouldn't realize it. People who embrace the "dark side" don't actually know they're doing so; they think they're on the good side.

I don't think what's going on is really that much of an ideological dispute between liberals and conservatives. At least of those in America, most have been born and raised within the same culture, the same basic political system, the same ideals about American exceptionalism and other aspects of Americana which have worked their way into the overall fabric. I've seen many liberals wearing their flag pins and appealing to the Founding Fathers and the principles of America which most Americans were raised and conditioned to respect. Conservatives claim to believe in all those patriotic ideals as well.

They're not arguing over the basic ideology itself. They're arguing over which side is the most "pure."

 

[ecco]

It won't work on lefties either.

Hell, mu old uncle who was with the Red Guards STILL spouts Mao-talk if you stick around to hear it.

I was referring to people in this country. People who are raised to believe simplicities like God made the world and then God flooded the world. Belief in that stuff leads to a complete lack of critical thinking.