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Ladies on the forum, do you consider yourself to be a feminist?

Discussion in 'The Social World' started by PassionFruit53, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. PassionFruit53

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    As I wrote in the title.

    A) Do you consider yourself a feminist? Please explain why.

    B) What is the state of the feminist movement in your own country?

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    My answer is YES, I consider myself a feminist. Because I think that woman and man should have equal opportunities for schooling, work, and also in social, economic and religious.

    The state of feminism in China is actually pretty poor. For instance the government forced abortions on women that had more than one child, that is one big issue I think the whole world knows. Also you probably know that female child is aborted more than boys.

    Here the feminism is only tied to labor ideas. Mainly the idea is women should work so that the government can collect more tax. So they are only true concern is the economic and profiability issue to have women to go work, not actual gender concern.

    More or less conscious male chauvinism is the big obstacle as well in Chinese culture.

    In fact in other ways CCP (China Communist Party) is a bit suspicious of any true feminism because they know woman's power to create CHANGE and new ideas into the public thought. So sometimes they will try to crush feminist movements.
     
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    I think I'm a feminist in my, and my mother's, sense of the word.
    I am really basing this on what she believed feminism to be and in turn taught me.
    The right to choose. To marry or remain single(without the stigma of spinster) To have kids or not. To work or not. To be "equal" in every sense of the word, both in the home and out. TO be able to voice those opinions without fear.
    There is probably more, but that is all I can think about right now
     
  3. PassionFruit53

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    This last point is very important.

    Many women cannot express these opinions without fear of losing their life. I was told Even in some Western countries women will be fired if the employer knows she is a feminist.
     
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    To be honest, I haven't heard this, but I'm not saying it hasn't happened.
     
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    Feminism in some circles is widely misunderstood. There are those who think it's an outdated concept and believe women have all the protections and benefits that men do with the passing of the 14th Amendment, and that anything else is an insult to the system and simply pressing the issue toward female privilege.

    I do not believe that, though. I am a feminist, and I recognize there still exists inequality and oppression of rights, liberties, protections, and benefits that acts as a barrier to equality.
     
  6. Klerkie

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    A) I do not consider myself a feminist, but an egalitarian. I support the equal rights of all individuals, regardless of sex or other factors

    B) I honestly haven't been paying attention. I think it's been slowly progressing for the past few years.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Do I qualify as a "lady" while I'm wearing me kilt?
    If so, put me down with Klerkie's view.
     
  8. Nyingjé Tso

    Nyingjé Tso Potato catto

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    Vanakkam,

    I do not consider myself a feminist.

    BUT that doesn't mean I'm someone who is sexist etc etc...Let me explain:

    - I'm a woman. I believe I deserve the same rights and equality as mens, like every women. I do not agree with women abuses and if something or someone treaten women's right, I'll roar and fight back with others womens.

    -But I'm not a feminist, because in my country, feminism is really going far. A Feminist is often viewed as a very authoritative woman, or with very narrowed views, that defend womens right yes, but to the extreme, without any problem spitting on mens or others. They are way too extreme !
    Last week, feminists wanted to protest again homophobia. Cute isn't it ? They came to Notre Dame de Paris, went inside the Cathdral almost completely naked, with "no homophobia!" painted on their bodies and breasts, making a chaos inside, riging the bells exposed inside...

    You can be a woman, but you can also be a balanced human being smart enough for not engaging in those kind of extreme views and actions, and instead of making a rude idiot in front of the public, make actions that actually explain them your problem and what you want. And feminism in my country, well, that's not what they do.

    Aum Namah Shivaya
     
  9. Me Myself

    Me Myself Back to my username

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    I like that.
     
  10. PassionFruit53

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    According to a standard definition, FEMINISM is exactly to develop equality:

    Definition of feminism in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

    I also supported equal rights for education and employment especially. Also here in China the issue is female child-killing because many families want to have a boy rather than a girl. The attitude must be corrected. Another issue is sometimes a woman cannot get an abortion without the biological father's signature. So there are still some difficulties in terms of equality.

    Well if you think this is bad then you should see how some overseas chinese students and even foreign born Chinese protested in other countries. For instance during 2008 right before the olympics many Chinese went to beat up those who they disagreed with. They caused riots on the foreign cities' streets and waving the five star Chinese flag to offended the locals. This they called "supporting China's Olympics"but in reality they were just offending, attacking and using western "free speech" to spread China's propaganda.

    But I think for your country those people were desperate to get attention in a creative way. Perhaps it is a bit too intense but rather that they had the freedom to do so and express their voice, rather than none like in Russia where some girls got arrested just because they sang a song that Vladimir Putin did not like. I do not think it is that bad as long as they did not damage the property, or physically attack someone.
     
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  11. dust1n

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    I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem here.


    Welcome to RF.
     
  12. Nyingjé Tso

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    Vanakkam,

    There are many problems here, I think (and I'm not the only one)

    Was it a part of a anti-christihomophoby campain ? Well it failed for two reasons:
    -> For some months there have been a big big fuss since homosexual marriage (which is now adopted) was discussed. And all kind of homophobic people came to the streets to protest. Not only christians, and actually very few christians. Things are not like in the USA where religion is a big thing, religious people here are irrelevant when it comes to politics. So first, it was a very wrong target.

    -> Notre Dame de Paris, you mean one of the biggest touristic spot after the Eiffel tower ? There are more tourists than homophobic christians there, so I believe it was more "attentionwhoring" than passing a message.


    Also third point which is important for me personally: you can protest and still respect. Just to be clear that I'm not christian, I'm not defending christian, I absolutely don't care about anything about them, whatever it is. But coming naked to make chaos into a church is disrepespectful to the people (plus it's illegal to be naked on the street or public places anyway, for the same sake of respecting people around you)
    Should this be in church, an hospital, or a school, bursting out there naked and making a mess around you is not the best way to send a message to anyone. It's more a way to look like a retarded extremist seeking attention than defending womens right....Seriously I don't want to be defended by naked hysterical womens that break law and destroy places, I mean what will women look like after that ? It's not a way to be representative of womens, they are supposed to show womens are as smart than mens and deserve same right, and they act like idiots ô__o Oh yeah they made the news, for the wrong reasons, because it wasn't about defending homosexuals, it was for making a big, disrespectful mess.

    I don't understand why feminists did that to defend homosexuals. I mean yes, gay and lesbian defended they right very well and with responsability until now, they won by showing they were responsible and strong people, that they are like everyone else and they fighted with their brains and obtained marriage.
    What's the point of ruining their efforts like this after marriage is finally adopted by making a mess like this ?

    The problem for me is being represented by people like this. They are not representative of womens rights and fight for equality, they are representative of extreme wtf-ism that are more pointed as "omg extremists attentionwhore" than responsible organization that actually educate people about womens right, that's the problem.

    There are many more organizations for womens right that actually use information, responsible actions and the media to send their messages, guess what, it works better, and they are respected :/

    Freedom of speech is effective if there is actually a desire for dialogue. It's about making others hear yourself and wanting to listen to you. Putting your *** in someone's face is not a good way to make yourself heard, more make yourself punch in the face. There are ways to do the things

    This is just my opinion

    Aum Namah Shivaya
     
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  13. dust1n

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    Joking aside, it's probably not good to break things or attack people because of the financial penalities and the liability of doing serious damage to someone or something. That being said, it's not surprising an economically leftist, anti-prostitution, anti-Christian & Islam, young female group is doing protests around Europe and Russia.
     
  14. cocolia42

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    I wouldn't call myself a feminist.
    Call me old-fashioned, but I believe men and women have different roles. The man should provide for the family and the woman should care for the family. If a husband and wife mutually agree on something different, fine, let the woman work and the man stay home or whatever. But I don't think a woman should feel obligated to go to work and leave her children with strangers. It's to the point now, in America, that most women with children have to work.
     
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    I'm a feminist in the sense that I don't believe that men are more intelligent or more capable then women and I believe that women should have equal opportunity, particularly in the work place.

    Uber feminist women typically **** me off, though. To the extreme, I find it as nauseating as male chauvinism.
     
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    Well I suppose I am, in the old sense. I am all for total equality and also freedom of choice. Some women (or men) are looked down on sometimes for staying at home raising children and/or taking care of the house. Some feminists don't like them because they are being in the old role, but that's what it is about, choice, not being forced into one thing or the other.

    I also don't like so called feminists looking down on men. I know mine is a good man and all for equality.
     
  17. MysticSang'ha

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    What some people are talking about doesn't classify as feminism, but misandry.

    "Uber-feminism" is IMO only more passionate about equality, so I tend to make the distinctions in this way, instead of appropriating misandrist and matriarchal positions as part of feminism.

    They are not one and the same, nor is matriarchy a subset of feminism.
     
  18. dawny0826

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    One can be a feminist and a misandrist.
     
  19. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    But would calling yourself a feminist imply that you weren't egalitarian?

    I mean, I consider myself a humanist, but I don't think that means I don't care about non-human animals or the environment.
     
  20. Alceste

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    I'm a feminist, certainly. I think the prescribed gender roles that have evolved under our very patriarchal history are psychologically harmful to both women and men.

    I like the idea of seven genders some first nations people subscribed to. They considered women who liked men and hunting a different gender from women who liked men and cooking, and women who liked women and cooking were yet another gender.

    Something like that anyway. The details are not so important as the point that diversity should be celebrated. We should feel confident that we are valued by our neighbours regardless of our gender, or whether our natural character adheres to social norms for our gender.
     
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