Because they want truth?
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Jesus, Jesus Everywhere
- Thread starter Rival
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And to many millions of people, Jesus is just a dead carpenter. Not 'truth'.
that's why I changed the word "everyone".
Be aware that unqualifiedly proclaiming one truth or another can be counted as proselytising, and receive corresponding treatment under the RF Rules.
In general, the West doesn't really have a mystic tradition. Perhaps Jesus acts as an access point for people to delve into this new way of thinking. Or perhaps he's a grounding link, sort of like a safety net if things get too weird.
I can summarize it in a word, I think.
Tradition.
Tradition.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I feel thats a generization. I know many Buddhist, for example, who never heard of jesus. Some hindu on this forum said they know nothing of christianity. A few pagans who are not ex christian dont have a concept of jesus outside him being a human that a religion is based on. My faith has no place for jesus nor do I place him on a pedelstool.
Maybe its former christians but thoze who are not and/or converted gradually finally find no place for jesus in their belief system. We may have opinions of him "based on thr bible" but some of us, not personally.
I agree, it's stupid and annoying. Though some are having too much fun with Satan as of late for my tastes too without understanding it either.
You mean with all the violence and genocide?
You mean the part where he said if you don't believe in him you burn forever in fire? People often forget this but Jesus was where in the Bible the fully developed idea of Hell was introduced and he actually talked a lot about it in the four gospels but that is often overlooked.
To be honest, I'm not sure I understand since I am not attempting to convert someone. In context of what I said, it sounds like a good portion of all posts would qualify.
Is Rival's "Why should Pagans and Hindus give a flying **** about a Messiah concept they don't even have? Let alone incorporate a failed one into their belief system." considered a unqualified proclamation.
I sincerely ask as I don't quite understand your statement.
hell is a place devoid of Love. The potential is there but hell is bereft of such an awful thing.
The road to hell is deprived of any nourishment. It is like sherman's march to the sea. everything is laid waste
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Jesus talked about hell for sinners but never specified what was a sin that couldn't be forgiven. For example he praised gentiles and condemed rabbis. He forgave prostitues and tax men. He told a criminal on the cross he would be in heaven with him. He used Hell as a warning not as a weapon.
The whole idea of an eternal hell is bad, period. "I love you all as long as you love me, and if you don't then well there's this..." is always a weapon/threat. The NT goes out of its way to vilify Jews to make Jesus look like the good guy.
reciprocity doesn't work; whether you're a jew, or a christian. an eye for an eye, or a 100 dollar bills for a 100 note.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
They may not have considered Luke 19:27. I would imagine they are also excluding the slavery, misogyny, and oceans of blood shed found throughout the Tanakh that were commanded by god. The only explanation that can serve is they have thrown "kill those who serve other gods" out the window, although that really doesn't make any sense to follow a pantheon that demands your death for not doing exactly as ordered.
I think it is more like people using selected versus and misinterpreting it to vilify Jews. The disciples were Jews, the masses were Jews and those who began Christianity were Jews. The ones who actually crucified Jesus were Romans and only a select few Jews were partakers.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Because he subconsciously has not really rejected what he knows as truth. He cannot. He may not have wanted to pick up his own cross, but he clings to the truth, anyway.
A lot of people and a lot of religions don't think it is a bad idea. This again comes down to your personal views.
You mean apart from this verse:
"24When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You shall bear the responsibility.” 25All the people answered, “his blood be on us and on our children!” 26So Pilate released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged and handed him over to be crucified.…"
And the part where jesus calls the Pharisees a 'brood of vipers' and says they will go to hell? In John's gospel he calls some Pharisees 'Children of the devil'.
The NT is soaked in antisemitism and has for thousands of years provided the Church with fuel for its Jew hating fire. It's just the modern age, the 21st century, that has seen a reduction in this hatred.
So sure, the disciples might have been Jews but that means nothing. We don't even know who wrote the gospels and Luke was probably a goy. Mark wasn't a disciple. Paul never met jesus and his letters also give fuel to antisemitic fire.
To ignore the anti-Jewish rhetoric in Christianity is to ignore at least 1800 years of Christian history. Just read the Church Fathers for yourself and see how much they just loved Jews.
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I know Islam has an eternal hell as well. I'm unsure of any other religion that has; maybe Bahai. Just because many people believe in it, doesn't make it a good idea. It's not a very loving god that says 'believe in me or suffer eternally.'