Frank Goad
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Were in the bible does it say right out jesus is michael?
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Were in the bible does it say right out jesus is michae
Were in the bible does it say right out jesus is michael?
Arch angel. .. . Chief messenger
Who leads the heavenly armies
Michael is not like God. No man on earth and no angel in heaven is like God. The name "Michael" does not mean that Michael is like God, but that nobody is like God. This name is a God-fearing name. If someone would ask a believer, "Who is like God?" he would answer "Nobody". And that is exactly what the name Michael wants to say. For example, if I give someone a name that means "Who is like God?", then I don't want to say that this person is like God. (God forbid) But I want to symbolize that nobody is like God.Michael.. .. . Who is like God
Not everything comes from the canon. For example the canon doesn't provide definitions for commonly used words such as 'Worship', 'Holy' and 'Prayer' yet people use these terms. Many, many things are simply not mentioned or explained such as marriage. Just because it doesn't say Michael is Jesus doesn't mean that he isn't. You have to begin by asking who Michael is and who Jesus is and then determine if those are the same, don't you?Were in the bible does it say right out jesus is michael?
The book of Daniel 10:13 KJV says:
but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
If it says "one of the" then there must be at least three Chief Angels. So he's not leading all the angels as you think, he's just leading a part. Each archangel has his own troop, with their own special task. And the task of Michael and his troop is to pay attention to the people of God.
Michael is not like God. No man on earth and no angel in heaven is like God. The name "Michael" does not mean that Michael is like God, but that nobody is like God. This name is a God-fearing name. If someone would ask a believer, "Who is like God?" he would answer "Nobody". And that is exactly what the name Michael wants to say. For example, if I give someone a name that means "Who is like God?", then I don't want to say that this person is like God. (God forbid) But I want to symbolize that nobody is like God.
If the name "Michael" would say that the angel Michael is like God, then his name would mean "Like God" or "I am like God" but of course it does not.
The Bible clearly says that nobody is like God.
Jeremiah 10:6 KJV
Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD;
Exodus 8:10 KJV
Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.
2 Samuel 7:22 KJV
Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee,
Were in the bible does it say right out jesus is michael?
In Daniel 12:1 Michael comes before the end as the Prince of Peace who stands up for his people, therefore it makes him the same as the Messiah.Were in the bible does it say right out jesus is michael?
In Daniel 12:1 Michael comes before the end as the Prince of Peace who stands up for his people, therefore it makes him the same as the Messiah.
God chose David as he had a heart like his (1 Samuel 13:14), and said sit at my right (Psalms 110), plus called him begotten (Psalms 2:7)...
So the question should be first is David like Michael as he had a heart like his, and Michael means 'he who is like God'?
Then did David become Yeshua (Psalms 89:19-21 = Isaiah 52:13-14 - marred should be anointed), then David comes back as Michael the Messiah?
In other words contextually everyone will know the King who returns is from Heaven, thus the name Michael is what people will understand him to be.
In my opinion.
The book of Daniel 10:13 KJV says:
but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
If it says "one of the" then there must be at least three Chief Angels. So he's not leading all the angels as you think, he's just leading a part. Each archangel has his own troop, with their own special task. And the task of Michael and his troop is to pay attention to the people of God.
Michael is not like God. No man on earth and no angel in heaven is like God. The name "Michael" does not mean that Michael is like God, but that nobody is like God. This name is a God-fearing name. If someone would ask a believer, "Who is like God?" he would answer "Nobody". And that is exactly what the name Michael wants to say. For example, if I give someone a name that means "Who is like God?", then I don't want to say that this person is like God. (God forbid) But I want to symbolize that nobody is like God.
If the name "Michael" would say that the angel Michael is like God, then his name would mean "Like God" or "I am like God" but of course it does not.
The Bible clearly says that nobody is like God.
Jeremiah 10:6 KJV
Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD;
Exodus 8:10 KJV
Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.
2 Samuel 7:22 KJV
Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee,
Hmmm let's look at Jude
Jude
Chapter 1
1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen
For several reasons I would not take Michael as Jesus in this chapter, namely,
1) Jesus in the Old testament in this was called 'the Lord' as in vs 5
5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how tat the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
So ... why switch to Michael and not continue saying 'the lord'
2) no explicit connection between Jesus and Michael... which is odd if its so important ... and none made in Revelation where they are also side by side
3) Michael would not rebuke Satan. Jesus did rebuke Satan
4) there is more of a connection with Jesus and God in the last verse ( in fact in both vs 4 and vs 25) only Lord God and God our Savior
I just don't think it's true that Jesus is Michael. I understand it is a 7th day adventist view that JWs inherited as a splinter group from them.
That's not exactly true. In Revelation 12:7 it says "Michael and his angels".In Revelation chapter 12 it is Michael who leads the Angels... it does not say a division of Angels.
Haven't you read Daniel 10:13? KJVA scriptural reference naming or even indicating that there are more than one CHIEF angel is needed here. You are just making stuff up.
That's not exactly true. In Revelation 12:7 it says "Michael and his angels".
Haven't you read Daniel 10:13? KJV
but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
If it says "one of the" then there must be at least three Chief Angels.
As I said before, there are several Chief Angels and each of these angels has its own army; that's what the bible teaches. That there are several armies is confirmed in Revelation 19:14.
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And If you really believe that Michael is like God, then believe it.
But the bible clearly says something else.
Jeremiah 10:6 KJV
Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD;
Exodus 8:10 KJV
Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.
2 Samuel 7:22 KJV
Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee,