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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Redemptionsong, Sep 11, 2021.

  1. Trailblazer

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    Tony might have another way of viewing salvation but suffice to say that Baha'is do not believe in salvation the same way Christians do because we do not believe in an original sin we need to be saved from.

    In my view, aalvation can be seen as nearness to God, and that comes by way of recognition or the signs of God, which come to us through recognition of the Manifestation of God and whatever He has revealed.

    “Blessed is the man that hath acknowledged his belief in God and in His signs, and recognized that “He shall not be asked of His doings.” Such a recognition hath been made by God the ornament of every belief, and its very foundation. Upon it must depend the acceptance of every goodly deed. Fasten your eyes upon it, that haply the whisperings of the rebellious may not cause you to slip.

    Were He to decree as lawful the thing which from time immemorial had been forbidden, and forbid that which had, at all times, been regarded as lawful, to none is given the right to question His authority. Whoso will hesitate, though it be for less than a moment, should be regarded as a transgressor.

    Whoso hath not recognized this sublime and fundamental verity, and hath failed to attain this most exalted station, the winds of doubt will agitate him, and the sayings of the infidels will distract his soul. He that hath acknowledged this principle will be endowed with the most perfect constancy. All honor to this all-glorious station, the remembrance of which adorneth every exalted Tablet. Such is the teaching which God bestoweth on you, a teaching that will deliver you from all manner of doubt and perplexity, and enable you to attain unto salvation in both this world and in the next. He, verily, is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Bountiful.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 86-87
     
  2. Hockeycowboy

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    John 1:18…”No one has seen God at any time.”

    That says it all, to me.
     
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  3. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    Thank you for that question. It is a very important question, as I see it is our purpose in life.

    Salvation I see is found in total submission to G_d's given Laws and guidance, which unfolds in our ability to undertake service to all humanity.

    I see in this age, Salvation has expanded beyond an individual understanding and practice, we are told that no one soul should find peace, while there is even one soul that has not found peace.

    This was shown by the life of Abdu'lbaha. Abdu'lbaha showed us that salvation lays completly in service and not in words, a level of service that would and does frighten many of us. Salvation is the reward of that service and without service there is no salvation.

    Regards Tony
     
  4. Redemptionsong

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    The problem with adding to the canon of the Bible is that it moves away from the apostolic tradition. Jesus chose apostles who were given the task of spreading the true Gospel of grace. Peter was chief amongst the Jewish believers, and Paul the chosen as apostle to the Gentiles. What these two men taught is the foundation on which the Church stands, which is that Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of a spiritual temple. If one is not 'born again' of the Spirit of Christ, through faith, one is not a member within his body.

    If Paul was alive today, he would ask you, 'Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?' [Acts 19]

    As for the passage in Daniel, l understand that these verses refer to future events; and that Sear's calculations of the second coming are incorrect. But that's a whole new topic for discussion!
     
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    Well, l'm in agreement with the belief that Jesus Christ was fully man and fully God. That means that the Spirit of the Father dwelt in the Son. Does that not also mean that God dwelt amongst men?
     
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    I'm saying that love is the fulfilment of the moral law given to lsrael. The ritual laws all confirm what is intended in the moral law.
     
  7. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    So which branch of Christianity do you see has not added to the Cannon?

    Regards Tony
     
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    John 1:18 was written after Jesus’ earthly ministry, sacrifice, & resurrection. Thousands had seen Jesus. But John still said, “No one has seen God at any time.

    That’s quite a clear, definitive statement!
     
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    That's about as clear as mud!

    Am l to understand that Bahais believe that God will judge a person by their service to others? In other words, like Islam and Judaism, the duty of a believer is to do good works?
     
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  10. TransmutingSoul

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    You forgot Christians also. First is Faith then works are an inseparable part of Faith.

    You can not have one without the other.

    Faith is birth, service is life. One can not be stillborn in Faith.

    Faith picks up the cross, service follows Jesus.

    Regards Tony
     
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    It also adds to the concept that we will not again see Jesus but the return will be another that makes a declaration from God, as in John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

    The Son who came again in the Bosom of the Father, have now both declared of God.

    Regards Tony
     
  12. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You are both right and wrong. The rabbis teach us that all the laws can be divided into two groups: loving God, and loving your neighbor. However, we need to study the Torah to know the detail. For example, it is the Law for a Jewish man not to sleep with his wife when she is menstruating. I don't hink you can arrive at that law by asking how you love your neighbor as yourself.
     
  13. Redemptionsong

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    And l agree that the Spirit of God cannot be seen with human eyes. The Spirit has to be discerned.

    The question is, Can one discern the Spirit of the Father in the Son?
     
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    The reason l did not include Christianity is because it is based on grace through faith. Yes, there are works of faith, but this is not the case with Judaism and lslam, both of which are based on works of the law. As a Bahai, in whom do you place your trust? Is it really faith in Jesus Christ as Lord?
     
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    John didn’t say “spirit” in that verse, did he? No....he just said “God”.
    He didn’t say “Father,” either.


    Jesus perfectly represented his Father, his God, but still a representation. And because of his loyalty, his Father (who is God - 1 Corinthians 8:5-6) ‘gave him all authority.’ Matthew 28:18; Philippians 2:8-11
     
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    Once the canon was established, all branches of Christianity accepted 66 books as canonical. The Apocrypha, which is included in some Bibles, has never received full acceptance as inspired scripture.
     
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    Everyone of we humans were born.

    No lying allowed says spiritual humanity.

    So stop lying.

    You exist self owned only as a human.

    A human said I choose to want to practice science.

    In the old days a human said I choose to practice satanism.

    About dead things.

    In life in modern times human quote us after the ice age.

    So let's only use truthful human advice.

    O earth exists.
    Heavens exists.
    Ice age happened.

    Nature garden exists.
    Animals exist humans exist.

    Which in intellect is a human claim to the only used correct human advice.

    Seen observed is living with the human status I am living.

    I truly wonder what you all argue about.

    If science as a human says I can think as a human. I can invent design and build .... Inventions.

    Now my inventions are dead they own no life I must give a machine its life.

    Then he applies a second design. Two designs

    His ownership design in science as two is machine invention only.

    No lying allowed.

    To be human spiritual and correct no lying is allowed.

    To argue we taught was to coerce.

    We knew human coercion had to stop its practice as it owned bullying family human community.

    Natural life

    If we cannot accept just being a human being then rationally you exhibit a mind problem.
     
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    Faith is built on Christ, the Holy Spirit, who Jesus brought us to.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I was not thinking in the terms of what the Canon consists of, but in terms as to its meaning/s.

    Regards Tony
     
  20. Redemptionsong

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    Nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus is a 'representative' of God.

    God the Father overshadowed Mary with his Holy Spirit. That makes the conception of Mary a miracle from above. In other words, God made his own vessel in which to dwell on earth. Then, at baptism, God the Father anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit 'without measure'. So God the Father made the vessel and then filled it with his own Spirit!

    Jesus Christ is described as 'good' and without sin. How can an ordinary man be without sin? This must be 'lmmanuel', 'God with us'. lMO.
     
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