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Very strong emphasis on love ["agape"] although minus free sex and drugs.Now in all seriousness - @metis, how would you define a "hippie" for the purpose of this debate?
We don't have a clue if he had long hair, but where does the "mumbo-jumbo" come in, may I ask?Yep. Long hair, weird mystic mumbo-jumbo...definitely.
I could make a list, but I don't really have time for that right now. Uni exams are coming up...We don't have a clue if he had long hair, but where does the "mumbo-jumbo" come in, may I ask?
See my post #7, and I don't imply with my OP that Jesus did marginalize sin.Not quite. I would also argue there are places where Jesus is more strict than the Torah, e.g., divorce. He also preaches repentance for sins over and over again; he's not hanging around with sinners because he approves them, he's trying to teach them and is also asking them to repent (see the famous woman caught in adultery story; he doesn't tell her to go be sexually liberal, he tells her not to sin again). He also mentions that his way is narrow, few can do it etc. The story of Abraham looking down on the rich man in the afterlife doesn't strike me as a 'hippie' vision, either. Jesus has pity on socially marginalised people, but he doesn't seem to be justifying their sins either.
Yes, but I wouldn't say he focused on love anymore than the Torah really does. Love for one's neighbour is there; not despising the Egyptians (the foe) is there; treating the foreigner as one of you, "You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God." etc. So I agree Jesus emphasised these things but I don't think they started with Jesus. In the rest of the Tanakh, I think Isaiah 1:16-18 is a good example of this kind of teaching, as well.See my post #7, and I don't imply with my OP that Jesus did marginalize sin.
I honestly do not know. I'm reminded of the categories offered in Kirby's Early Christian Writings, but I don't see "Hippie" among them.Whaddya think?
You would think if Jesus wanted to fix problems, he would hang out with and teach the self righteous people who have the power to fix the problem.Not quite. I would also argue there are places where Jesus is more strict than the Torah, e.g., divorce. He also preaches repentance for sins over and over again; he's not hanging around with sinners because he approves them, he's trying to teach them and is also asking them to repent (see the famous woman caught in adultery story; he doesn't tell her to go be sexually liberal, he tells her not to sin again). He also mentions that his way is narrow, few can do it etc. The story of Abraham looking down on the rich man in the afterlife doesn't strike me as a 'hippie' vision, either. Jesus has pity on socially marginalised people, but he doesn't seem to be justifying their sins either.
Tbf it sounds as though he did, in the synagogues.You would think if Jesus wanted to fix problems, he would hang out with and teach the self righteous people who have the power to fix the problem.
Were they in charge or the Romans?Tbf it sounds as though he did, in the synagogues.
He seems to be arguing with Jews in the synagogues a lot. Non-Jews tend to 'get him' in the Gospels.Were they in charge or the Romans?
But Jews had no real political power, which is why I think he is a coward.He seems to be arguing with Jews in the synagogues a lot. Non-Jews tend to 'get him' in the Gospels.
I suppose this matters more if you think of Jesus as a political figure just as much as a religious one. I doubt the Romans would have cared one way or the other about 90% of his beliefs, apart from the Messianic claim. Even then, that's taken out of context if we remember that Jesus wasn't claiming an earthly throne. From a mainstream Jewish POV he should have taken on the Romans and become an earthly king, as we see the Apostles seem to think of him at first, but this is not Jesus' paradigm.But Jews had no real political power, which is why I think he is a coward.