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Featured Jesus, a Jewish "Hippie"?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by metis, Jun 21, 2022.

  1. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Whaddya think?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I'm gonna let this question set for a day, and then tomorrow I'm going to introduce a question that relates. And then I'll do the same on Thursday...
     
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    Yep. Long hair, weird mystic mumbo-jumbo...definitely.
     
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    Now in all seriousness - @metis, how would you define a "hippie" for the purpose of this debate?
     
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    Maybe. He did quit a productive job as a carpenter to wander about telling people to love one another.
     
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    Not quite. I would also argue there are places where Jesus is more strict than the Torah, e.g., divorce. He also preaches repentance for sins over and over again; he's not hanging around with sinners because he approves them, he's trying to teach them and is also asking them to repent (see the famous woman caught in adultery story; he doesn't tell her to go be sexually liberal, he tells her not to sin again). He also mentions that his way is narrow, few can do it etc. The story of Abraham looking down on the rich man in the afterlife doesn't strike me as a 'hippie' vision, either. Jesus has pity on socially marginalised people, but he doesn't seem to be justifying their sins either.
     
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    Very strong emphasis on love ["agape"] although minus free sex and drugs.

    Agape is generally defined by theologians as a kind of love that permeates our every being. IOW, we are to act out of love, not just have it as a belief.
     
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    We don't have a clue if he had long hair, but where does the "mumbo-jumbo" come in, may I ask?
     
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    I could make a list, but I don't really have time for that right now. Uni exams are coming up...
     
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    See my post #7, and I don't imply with my OP that Jesus did marginalize sin.
     
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    OK, my intent was to get back on this tomorrow, so I'm outta here on this thread until then.

    BTW, I didn't put this on any DIR as I intend to introduce questions within a few days that those of outer faiths, agnostics, and atheists can more relate to.
     
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    The truth is that unfortunately, there was a pretty sly demonization of hippies during the eighties.
    Many of them lived a very spiritual life, almost ascetic.
    So...light years away from the promiscuous lifestyle in the communes and so on...

    So...the OP has a point.
     
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    Yes, but I wouldn't say he focused on love anymore than the Torah really does. Love for one's neighbour is there; not despising the Egyptians (the foe) is there; treating the foreigner as one of you, "You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God." etc. So I agree Jesus emphasised these things but I don't think they started with Jesus. In the rest of the Tanakh, I think Isaiah 1:16-18 is a good example of this kind of teaching, as well.
     
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    I honestly do not know. I'm reminded of the categories offered in Kirby's Early Christian Writings, but I don't see "Hippie" among them.

    On the other hand, it does bring up the question of incarnation, about which I find Kirby's note useful.
     
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    You would think if Jesus wanted to fix problems, he would hang out with and teach the self righteous people who have the power to fix the problem.
     
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    Tbf it sounds as though he did, in the synagogues.
     
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    Were they in charge or the Romans?
     
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    He seems to be arguing with Jews in the synagogues a lot. Non-Jews tend to 'get him' in the Gospels.
     
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    But Jews had no real political power, which is why I think he is a coward.
     
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    I suppose this matters more if you think of Jesus as a political figure just as much as a religious one. I doubt the Romans would have cared one way or the other about 90% of his beliefs, apart from the Messianic claim. Even then, that's taken out of context if we remember that Jesus wasn't claiming an earthly throne. From a mainstream Jewish POV he should have taken on the Romans and become an earthly king, as we see the Apostles seem to think of him at first, but this is not Jesus' paradigm.
     
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