Shermana
Heretic
Lets just stand on what Christ teaches.Everything is summed up right here in the words of Christ.Walk in his commandment of love.
John 15
Sigh, not this "Love" misunderstanding again.
Jesus did not say you don't have to follow the commandments as long as you love. He said all the commandments are defined by Love. Thus, every commandment is some form of love. Otherwise, maybe you can help try to define what "love" is, many in the past that have went down this route have a hard time defining "love" exactly.
.How do suppose we are clean through the words which he spoke to us . He did not say by the law
Actually Jesus said to the Rich man that you get eternal life by obeying the commandments.
It was because they believe the words and believe in him that they are made clean.
The words he spoke include obedience to the Law.
How come without Christ you can do nothing. Do you not have your laws to follow and guide you to righteousness?
There is no righteousness without understanding what sin is, and sin is "lawlessness". I don't believe Jesus is guiding anyone who doesn't obey the commandments.
How come the fruit we bear and that glorifies God comes from abiding in the words of Christ and not by obiding in OT laws?
I don't believe it does. I think all you're doing now is asserting Pauline doctrine and avoiding the specifics of this issue that James clashes with Paul by rewriting and ignoring what Jesus said.
Jesus's commandments were that to love summing up the whole law.
If only I had a dollar for every person who misunderstands what he meant by this. It's like saying "As long as you're a good driver you don't have to obey the Speed Limit". Jesus very specifically said to gain Eternal life you must follow the commandments. All he did was say that the Law is summarized by Love. That doesn't mean it REPLACES love.
Jesus kept his fathers commandments( the OT laws) and obided in his fathers love. How come he didn't say if you keep my fathers commandments as well you shall do the same?
He kinda did. Everything he taught was in the context of Torah obedience. And his commandments were about keeping the Law correctly.
He said keep his commandment to love one another.
If only I had a dollar for every time I hear people who think this was the ONLY commandment he gave.
How did they not have sin until Jesus came and spoke to them?
Ummm, that is not scriptural whatsoever. Of course they had sin way before Jesus spoke to them. Where are you possibly deriving this?
Is his authority above that of God who says sin is from transgressions of the law?
Yes. And 1 John says the exact same thing.
</SPAN>How come they have no cloke for their sin?Can't the law justify them? 23
Jesus says one's righteousness must exceed the Scribes and Pharisees to enter the Kingdom. He accused the Pharisees of not fully obeying the Law while making up their own commandments. The word "Righteousness" in Psalms and many other books always refers to obedience to the commandments. Jesus says to the Rich man when asked how to enter Eternal life to obey the commandments. It's clear as day that Jesus taught obedience to the commandments as the stairway to Heaven. It was Paul who went and changed this, and that's the point of the OP. It's as if you're not familiar with his actual teachings.
We do you suppose they crucified Christ and put him on the cross?
Because he claimed to be Christ and King of the Jews, or at least they claimed he did. Notice how they tried to pin lawbreaking on him and they could find nothing.
They were seeking to be justified by the law and Jesus taught a message that was contrary. Its the same today as it was then.
And you have no idea what they even tried to crucify him. Have you even read the Gospels? I'd challenge you to find even a single Antinomian Christian source that agrees they crucified him for his Lawless message. Not even Paul was condemned for Lawbreaking. It specifically says that they tried to find a charge on Jesus but they couldn't, so they resorted to charging him for being King of the Jews. In John 10, they charged him with claiming to be a god, and the son of god. Seriously, find me a SINGLE source that says that they wanted to crucify him for teaching a message contrary to justification of the Law. If anything, most Christian sites try to get around this by saying whatever he taught to the Jews was negated after he died, you're not even going there! So please, I'd love to see what source you're getting this from, since this is not even remotely what the text itself says.
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