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It looks like the water problem is solved on Mars.
- Thread starter Subduction Zone
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it all comes together.
I ignore any maths, not just yours so don't be disappointed
Is there deuterium on Mars?
An approximately six-fold deuterium-to-hydrogen (D/H or 2H/1H) enrichment in Martian water vapor relative to standard mean ocean water (SMOW, D/H = 1.56 × 10 − 4 ) was first detected spectroscopically (Owen et al., 1988) and has since been confirmed by in-situ measurements of Mars's atmosphere (Webster et al., 2013).Oct 1, 2022
Heyo
Veteran Member
I'd prefer to leave myself and let the MAGAs have this rock.
I think they have all the rocks they need and have space for.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Thank you for supporting my claim and refuting yours. Even at six times our amount of deuterium water would be almost pure H1 or protonium if you prefer. Even with the highest value by that one measurement it would still be less than one hydrogen atom out of 1,000 being deuterium.
Mars has very little atmosphere. So like water all over the universe, the hydrogen is always open to evolving with direct sun em. (Light)
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That does not change the hydrogen nucleus. That takes nuclear physics. You won't see that happening unless you are very deep down inside the Sun.
I was not trying to see it. And the suns solar wind is conveying the elements from the sun's nuclear works. The sun (stars) do the work and the physics are describing the model, not making it happen.
You're kind of cute.
Heyo
Veteran Member
You described the "evolution" of hydrogen as if sunlight could change the nucleus. As if hydrogen could capture a free neutron or helium could decay into 2 deuterium nuclei under sunlight.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
No, everyone in the world looks up and sings "America! **** Yeah!"
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A measurement of the intensities of cosmic-ray-produced deuterium and tritium in the earth's atmosphere has been made using a dE/dx and E detector flown aboard two high-altitude balloon flights launched from Fort Churchill, Manitoba, in June 1965."""
That's over half a century old.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
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And that would be a trifling amount..
Heyo
Veteran Member
And not what you stated above.
1. Those are cosmic rays, not sunlight.
2. It doesn't describe the formation of deuterium from hydrogen.
See also: Cosmic-ray production of deuterium, He3, lithium, beryllium, and boron in the Galaxy - Astrophysics and Space Science
Cosmic rays come from stars. Including the sun.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Here is something I predicted 20 years ago and has recently been verified by science.
Water leaking into Earth's core may have birthed a mysterious layer that churns out crystals
They are still behind in the overall inner earth theory. Water under extreme pressure and temperature becomes a very aggressive solvent for minerals. This increases with temperature and pressure. An increasing concentration of mineral-water solutions reflects the 2nd law; complexity increase. There is a natural drive for water to dissolve its way inward to the core. This does not need asteroids or plate subduction, although these can speed up the water placement processes, for even deeper entropy gains.
The hydrogen of water that can displace silica, can also react with the iron core and rust it; heat and electrons. It may take time of science to catch up, since their inner earth theory is weak and could not even predict water near the iron core. It took experimental proof to shake up the bureaucracy's obsolete theory.
Recent work with water at extreme conditions, showed that the many extreme phases of water correspond well with the conditions of the layering of the inner earth. The inner earth is more than likely based on various phases of water plus minerals; slight phased alternations of pure water phases. Hydrothermal water exists within the crust; super critical water. At the higher pressure and temperature of the mantle, water becomes a phase called super ionic. This phase of water can dissolve/absorb into, the tougher minerals found in the mantle; entropic potential. Water will become a metal at the iron core conditions. It corrosives action may be limited to the outer core where the magnetic field is thought to develop.
The layer of the water, the above study found, would be the ionic water phase; lower mantle and outer core, where we have oxide minus 2 and hydrogen protons; O-2 and H+ . This is the hydrogen in their simulation.
It makes sense that some of the lost surface water of Mars is heading to its iron core, and would be expected have a similar affect as found for the earth. Mars's huge Volcano reflects the counter current displacement; phase separation. The Mars magnetic field is not focused like the earth's, but rather occurs in smaller pockets all over the planet. They do not have the strong sun and lots of surface water evaporation like earth; atmospheric positive charge, and rotation to create a consolidated magnetic field perpendicular to the equatorial rotation. The diverse water migration of Mars, less targeted like the earth, allows the iron core electrons to reach the surface in many places.
Scientist also found the earth is denser north to south than east to west; along the equator. Even by taking into account the shorter distance between poles, the much faster seismic signals, betray the higher north and south density. The explanation is the solar heating maximum of water is at the equator, and there is a faster water migration to the core, that fluffs up the inner earth mineral phases at the equator. The sun and water evaporation are important to this water model of the inner earth.
exchemist
Veteran Member
So it’s not D2O then. The 6-fold higher, but still tiny, proportion of deuterium compared to that on Earth is apparently due to a greater degree of fractionation by the escape into space of the lighter isotope.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The earth's conditions have liquid water and clouds and a strong sun for evaporation of water in bulk. The water on Mars is more solid water; ice, with more sublimation. Heavy water with deuterium is 10% denser than regular water, has a heat of vaporization of 41.521 kJ/mole, while the heat of vaporization of regular water is 40.657 KJ/mole. The regular water will evaporate slightly leaving behind an enrichment of D2O, on the cold Mars ice surface and atmosphere.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Okay, almost none of the water on Mars is going to be D2O. I am leaving the error bars off of this to keep it simple and rounding up, which is in your favor. One out of a thousand hydrogen atoms will be deuterium on Mars. That means that one out of a thousand water molecules on Mars will be PDO, or protonium deuterium oxide. It is only 5% more massive than H2O. The difference in heat of evaporation will also be about half way in between the two figures that you gave. Only one out of a million water molecules will be D20.
As to sublimation/ evaporation, your claim would be correct if you were dealing with liquid water where the molecules could move. But you are not. As you pointed out it is ice, and that sublimes at the surface. The heavier water cannot be left behind and mix in with the surrounding water. You can only get a partial distillation using liquids.