AbuQuteiba
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gnostic said:Well, if you don't then some do. I have been at islam dot com's forum for a year, and a number of people link Bush's wars in the ME to that of Christianity. They also compared everything that the West do to either the US or to Christianity. There are so much diversity in the West, and not all of the West are Christians or atheism, and not all of the West is the US. They forget that there are people in the West and those in Christianity opposed to the war in Iraq.
I find it strange that whenever it concern today's events, Muslims tried to distance Islam from its politics and current affairs, and yet at the same time, the history of the Islamic empires that exist after Muhammad's death, such the progress of science and medicine, all this is due to Islam. For Muslims Islam = golden age, ie its empires, but Islam not equal terrorism, even though the terrorists themselves link what they do not only to politics, but to Islam....well, it just doesn't add up.
Muslims have the tendency to mix religion with politics, but if something is not right, they tried to separate it. I don't think many of the Middle Easterner Muslims would agree with your separation.
That precisely is the problem.
Muslims who are not involved directly on terrorism, don't care to stem the problem.
Djamila wrote in another topic that when Muslim empires had conquered territories, it was to liberate those oppressed by Christians, and they were doing a good thing (so she say). I am quite sure the Babylonians, Romans, Franks and Mongols felt the same way like the Muslims when they expand their empires; they did so with the kindness of their hearts, not for more lands, taxes and powers.
Well, if Islam is peaceful, then Islam have failed to liberate people today from the oppression of terrorism. If anything, Islam adds to the problem.
Then let me ask you this. If you don't care, then you are willing to let extremists and terrorists to continue to hijack Islam?
When enough people protest, then yes, they can make a difference that will pressure him to change his policy, even if it won't change Bush's view.
Gnostic, it seems you dont want to understand. You keep bringing up the fact that things in the world are happening in the name of Islam, yet you fail to bring the scriptures. I told you, i can not defend Islam, and its teachings if you keep saying "but this is happening here, and that is happening there".
Secondly, muslims do not, and if they do, SHOULD NOT distance Islam from politics. Islam is whole code of conduct. Allah (SWT) has completed Islam in a way that it should be used in every single aspect of ones life, and the community. But if terrorists are using Islam incorrectly to justify their acts, how is the problem with Islam? Or muslims? So if they used politics, and not Islam, who's problem would it be? (Weak argument). In the end, its terrorism, whether its in the name of politics or Islam, or whatever.
Hijack Islam? What a very lazy way of putting it. Its enough to say that the majority of muslims around the world do not agree to what these terrorists are doing. Plus, these terrorists are groups of people, not a government, or a muslim country. Also, what westerners consider one of the most Islamic fundamentalism countries in the world, Saudia Arabia, has signs everywhere that are against terrorism. One of my universities slogans is "against terrorism". America says that they are against terrorism, but they have caused more damage than the terrorism they are fighting.
Islam adds to the problem? You can really talk the talk, but you cannot walk the walk. You have guts to say such a thing, but no proof FROM ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES to back it up.
As for those people you reffered to on the Islamic forum you talked about, well i can't defend them, nor will i agree to what they say. As a student of the Islamic Shari'a here in Mecca, i, alhamdullilah, have a very strong background on Islam teachings, and know the most of what the most highly regarded scholars in the world (muslims of course) have to say on the subject. And they don't say that.
You can change Bush's policy? Why don't you then? Bush is about to start ANOTHER of his stupid wars in Iran, based on them having nuclear weapons. He said the same things about Iraq, and in the end there was nothing. If the American society could do anything about Bush's actions, they would have by now.
As for Israel. I will not defend Hizballah for their actions. Because in Islam, to start Jihad Muslims must be united, and it must be under the order of one ruler, and much much more. Since they acted on their own, they are responsibe for their acts, not muslims. As for Israel being a target, like i said, Islam does not allow us to kill the innocent on puropse. Yet Israel is'nt really helping. Every day they kill many innocent Palestinians. And they DO NOT want peace. Neither do muslims want peace. The palestinian land has been taken over, by these people. The idea of co-existing was never part of Israel's plan. Israel is a terrorist state, and would not be here today if it did'nt have America's back. Furthermore, JEWS (ORTHODOX JEWS, as they call themselves) IN AMERICA, AND ALL OVER THE WORLD are protesting against Israel. They say that it is a terrorist state. Plus they have signs put up saying things like "we are against Israel, because we are JEWS".
Pls, gnostic, in your next reply, try to use Islamic scriptures to back up your accusations. Otherwise don't bother. For i am not a one man army, that i can go stop these terrorists, nor do i have the power to convince my government to fight it. You have a problem with the way the world works today? Handle it hot shot.