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Isaac Newton's Views on Religion

danieldemol

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Premium Member
In the twentieth century, Albert Einstein said he trusted no man's scientific instincts as much as he trusted Newton's. Albert Einstein said no man knew more about hard science than Newton.

I doubt that seventy or eighty years would have changed Einstein's opinion much. I suspect armchair Einsteins haven't a clue why Einstein privileged Newton's scientific instincts so highly. And I'm allergic to some of the materials used in the manufacture of LazyBoy recliners. So I can't try to correct the armchair scientist myself.



John
Einstein may have considered Newton to be the most advanced man of Newton's time scientifically (although I note you did not quote from him or provide a citation), but Einstein clearly did not share Newton's religious views.

'“The word God is for me nothing but the expression of and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends,” the message reads. “No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change anything about this.”'

Source;
Einstein’s ‘God Letter,’ a Viral Missive From 1954 (Published 2018)

In my opinion.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In my opinion you couldn't possibly be more wrong. There's more proof of the soundness of Newton's theological beliefs today, by far, than in his own day.
So goes the claim of those who stand to gain the most materially speaking from preaching religion, but I have never seen them give serious consideration to the contrary evidence.

I believe very strongly that armed with a Mac computer, the internet, and Google (oh, and religiousforums.com too), Newton would leave science to lesser minds and go full bore theology.

That's what I would do if I were Newton. And surely great minds think alike? :D
But Newton did not even publish his religious views, so the likelihood of him leaving the greatly beneficial work of science for something trivial as theology seems slim.

In my opinion.
 

ajarntham

Member
He was a very complicated individual and definitely anti-trinitarian. Here is a good book from a few years ago on this:

Priest of Nature: The Religious Worlds of Isaac Newton by Rob Iliffe
The passage quoted in the OP, with Newton warning "the worship which is due to this God we are to give to no other nor to ascribe anything absurd or contradictious to his nature or actions lest we be found to blaspheme him or to deny him or to make a step towards atheism or irreligion," might be a reference to trinitarianism.

FWIW, along with Newton, his contemporaries John Locke and John Milton were also anti-trinitarian; the most celebrated scientist, philosopher and poet in the English speaking world at the time.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
But Newton did not even publish his religious views, so the likelihood of him leaving the greatly beneficial work of science for something trivial as theology seems slim.

In my opinion.

So you are travelling back in time? Maybe you have some magical powers to interpret dead peoples minds. Or are you some kind of spiritual medium or something? Please clarify.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion

Steven E. Jones

Newton was certainly one of the greatest scientists who ever lived. He laid out the three laws of motion in his extraordinary Principia Mathematica. He discovered the law of universal gravitation, the famous inverse-distance-squared law. He wrote much about light and optics after performing his own original experiments on light. He invented calculus. He rejected the authority of the Greek philosopher Aristotle and promoted experiment-based science.

But it is not commonly known that Newton was also a devout Christian who wrote extensively about Christianity. We learn from his writings that he deeply studied the Bible along with writings of early Christian leaders. Notably, Newton concluded that the dogma of a Triune god was false doctrine and therefore refused ordination in the Anglican Church, a most unpopular decision that almost cost him his position at Cambridge University. Newton also believed that a general apostasy from Christ’s doctrines occurred early on in the history of the Christian church, and he wrote that a restoration of the Lord’s church would come at some future time.

Although none of Newton’s religious writings were published during his lifetime, after his death in 1727, John Conduitt, executor of Newton’s will, [1] published some of his theological manuscripts. Eventually the remainder came forth when the manuscripts were auctioned off in 1936. [2] In this paper we will examine some of Newton’s copious writings on religion.

To continue breading: A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion | Religious Studies Center

Newton Predicts a Restoration of the True Gospel

Newton’s study of the scriptures brought him to the conclusion that just as there had been a falling away, there would also be a restoration of the true church of Jesus Christ. He quoted Malachi 3 and other scriptures in his commentary that are standard scriptural passages used by Latter-day Saints in discussing the restoration:

Behold I will send my messenger & he shall prepare the way before me & the Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly come to his temple—But who may abide the day of his coming? & who shall stand when he appeareth. Malachi 3.1, 2. [41]

And there appeared unto them Moses & Elias & they were talking with Jesus—And (the disciples) asked him saying why say the Scribes that Elias must first come And he answered & told them Elias verily cometh first & restoreth all things. . . . Mark 9.4, 11[–]13. . . . Jesus said unto them (his disciples) Elias shall first come & restore all things. . . . Matth 17.11. [42]

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Acts 3.21. [43]

I will lay the Land most desolate & the pomp of her strength shall cease, & the Mountains (i.e. Cities) of Israel shall be desolate. Ezek 33.28. [44]

Jerusalem shall become heaps, & the Mountain of the house as the high-places of the Forest: But in the last days it shall come to pass that the Mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the Mountains & it shall be exalted above the hills &c i.e. above all other temples. Mica 3.12. [45]

So in Dan 2 The new Jerusalem extending its dominion over the earth is represented by a great mountain which filled the whole Earth. [46]

Newton found multiple examples throughout history of reformations by God:

The worship which is due to this God we are to give to no other nor to ascribe anything absurd or contradictious to his nature or actions lest we be found to blaspheme him or to deny him or to make a step towards atheism or irreligion. . . . For as often as mankind has swerved from them, God has made a reformation. When the sons of Adam erred and the thoughts of their heart became evil continually, God selected Noah to people a new world. And when the posterity of Noah transgressed and began to invoke dead men, God selected Abraham and his posterity. And when they transgressed in Egypt God reformed them by Moses. And when they relapsed to idolatry and immorality, God sent Prophets to reform them and punished them by the Babylonian captivity. And when they that returned from captivity, mixed human inventions with the law of Moses under the name of traditions, and laid the stress of religion not upon the acts of the mind, but upon outward acts and ceremonies, God sent Christ to reform them. And when the nation received him not, God called the Gentiles. And now the Gentiles have corrupted themselves, we may expect that God in due time will make a new reformation. And in all the reformations of religion hitherto made, the religion in respect of God and our neighbor is one and the same religion . . . so that this is the oldest religion in the world.[47]

Newton argued that it was the same religion that was restored from time to time by God because men deviated from this true religion. He concluded: “So then the mystery of this restitution of all things is to be found in all the Prophets: which makes me wonder with great admiration that so few Christians of our age can find it there.” [48]

A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion | Religious Studies Center

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I would like to tell you that every tom, dick and harry in the field of sociology of religion and history of religions knows that Isaac Newton was one of the most well known theologians in his time. Its a very interesting topic, although I dont understand from your post what your topic is.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Einstein may have considered Newton to be the most advanced man of Newton's time scientifically (although I note you did not quote from him or provide a citation), but Einstein clearly did not share Newton's religious views.

'“The word God is for me nothing but the expression of and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends,” the message reads. “No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change anything about this.”'

Source;
Einstein’s ‘God Letter,’ a Viral Missive From 1954 (Published 2018)

In my opinion.

This is commonly quoted stuff, regarding Einstein:

"Publicly, he called himself an agnostic"

“Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: It transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and spiritual; and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity.
” - Einstein.


“If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.” - Einstein.

- Was Einstein a Buddhist?

 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In your opinion you answered in some post? I really cant understand that post at all.
It is really quite simple.
1. Reading the OP gives the impression that Newton believed the Old Testament to give an accurate account of history.
2. What is now known of archaeology and geology etc tells us that the Old Testament is not historical
3. Therefore Newton's religious view appears outdated.

In my opinion.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion

Steven E. Jones

Newton was certainly one of the greatest scientists who ever lived. He laid out the three laws of motion in his extraordinary Principia Mathematica. He discovered the law of universal gravitation, the famous inverse-distance-squared law. He wrote much about light and optics after performing his own original experiments on light. He invented calculus. He rejected the authority of the Greek philosopher Aristotle and promoted experiment-based science.

But it is not commonly known that Newton was also a devout Christian who wrote extensively about Christianity. We learn from his writings that he deeply studied the Bible along with writings of early Christian leaders. Notably, Newton concluded that the dogma of a Triune god was false doctrine and therefore refused ordination in the Anglican Church, a most unpopular decision that almost cost him his position at Cambridge University. Newton also believed that a general apostasy from Christ’s doctrines occurred early on in the history of the Christian church, and he wrote that a restoration of the Lord’s church would come at some future time.

Although none of Newton’s religious writings were published during his lifetime, after his death in 1727, John Conduitt, executor of Newton’s will, [1] published some of his theological manuscripts. Eventually the remainder came forth when the manuscripts were auctioned off in 1936. [2] In this paper we will examine some of Newton’s copious writings on religion.

To continue breading: A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion | Religious Studies Center

Newton Predicts a Restoration of the True Gospel

Newton’s study of the scriptures brought him to the conclusion that just as there had been a falling away, there would also be a restoration of the true church of Jesus Christ. He quoted Malachi 3 and other scriptures in his commentary that are standard scriptural passages used by Latter-day Saints in discussing the restoration:

Behold I will send my messenger & he shall prepare the way before me & the Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly come to his temple—But who may abide the day of his coming? & who shall stand when he appeareth. Malachi 3.1, 2. [41]

And there appeared unto them Moses & Elias & they were talking with Jesus—And (the disciples) asked him saying why say the Scribes that Elias must first come And he answered & told them Elias verily cometh first & restoreth all things. . . . Mark 9.4, 11[–]13. . . . Jesus said unto them (his disciples) Elias shall first come & restore all things. . . . Matth 17.11. [42]

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Acts 3.21. [43]

I will lay the Land most desolate & the pomp of her strength shall cease, & the Mountains (i.e. Cities) of Israel shall be desolate. Ezek 33.28. [44]

Jerusalem shall become heaps, & the Mountain of the house as the high-places of the Forest: But in the last days it shall come to pass that the Mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the Mountains & it shall be exalted above the hills &c i.e. above all other temples. Mica 3.12. [45]

So in Dan 2 The new Jerusalem extending its dominion over the earth is represented by a great mountain which filled the whole Earth. [46]

Newton found multiple examples throughout history of reformations by God:

The worship which is due to this God we are to give to no other nor to ascribe anything absurd or contradictious to his nature or actions lest we be found to blaspheme him or to deny him or to make a step towards atheism or irreligion. . . . For as often as mankind has swerved from them, God has made a reformation. When the sons of Adam erred and the thoughts of their heart became evil continually, God selected Noah to people a new world. And when the posterity of Noah transgressed and began to invoke dead men, God selected Abraham and his posterity. And when they transgressed in Egypt God reformed them by Moses. And when they relapsed to idolatry and immorality, God sent Prophets to reform them and punished them by the Babylonian captivity. And when they that returned from captivity, mixed human inventions with the law of Moses under the name of traditions, and laid the stress of religion not upon the acts of the mind, but upon outward acts and ceremonies, God sent Christ to reform them. And when the nation received him not, God called the Gentiles. And now the Gentiles have corrupted themselves, we may expect that God in due time will make a new reformation. And in all the reformations of religion hitherto made, the religion in respect of God and our neighbor is one and the same religion . . . so that this is the oldest religion in the world.[47]

Newton argued that it was the same religion that was restored from time to time by God because men deviated from this true religion. He concluded: “So then the mystery of this restitution of all things is to be found in all the Prophets: which makes me wonder with great admiration that so few Christians of our age can find it there.” [48]

A Brief Survey of Sir Isaac Newton's Views on Religion | Religious Studies Center

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Yes, Newton was a kind of anti-Trinitarian, though not, I think, a conventional Unitarian either. He only got the Lucasian chair at Cambridge after a special government dispensation, I believe.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Newton lived over 300 years ago when by far the vast majority of brits were christian by default... There was little alternative other than a little Judaism and islam in london and a little chinese folk religion around international shipping ports.

Religion was still executing those they considered non believers. So its no surprise that Newtown was christian.
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
What i am trying to say is that I never claimed to be 'travelling back in time', or to, 'have some magical powers to interpret dead peoples minds.' Or to be, 'some kind of spiritual medium'

In my opinion.

In your opinion you never claimed something? What does that even mean? In your opinion?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Newton lived over 300 years ago when by far the vast majority of brits were christian by default... There was little alternative other than a little Judaism and islam in london and a little chinese folk religion around international shipping ports.

Religion was still executing those they considered non believers. So its no surprise that Newtown was christian.

Then you are making assumptions based on your post hoc bias. Baseless. Maybe you should try to be more evidence based and rational.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
It is really quite simple.
1. Reading the OP gives the impression that Newton believed the Old Testament to give an accurate account of history.
2. What is now known of archaeology and geology etc tells us that the Old Testament is not historical
3. Therefore Newton's religious view appears outdated.

In my opinion.

So can you make some evidential claim that today theologians dont claim that the OT episodes were historical? Do all christians today claim that the OT is not historical?
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So can you make some evidential claim that today theologians dont claim that the OT episodes were historical? Do all christians today claim that the OT is not historical?
Today theologians who have ignored the various fields of current scientific enquiry make religious claims that appear outdated as well.

I never said a) today theologians dont claim that the OT episodes were historical

I never said b) all christians today claim that the OT is not historical

In my opinion.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
So can you make some evidential claim that today theologians dont claim that the OT episodes were historical?

We can make evidential claims that modern knowledge includes evidence that contradicts the OT and can suggest that people from historical times who preferred conclusions based on evidence may have different views today than they would have in their day when that knowledge wasn't available. It is, of course, speculative.
 
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