psychoslice
Veteran Member
I think most of the world is at peace, there are still many lagging behind but I think they will catch up to us soon, well lets hope so.
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Is world peace coming?
- Thread starter Lorgar-Aurelian
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To me, it is interesting that you say ^ above^ discover an unlimited supply of energy.
I think Jesus is an unlimited supply of energy.
Perhaps Not in the way you are thinking above, but that Jesus has the energy (power) to feed people, calm the stormy sea, heal the sick, and even have the dead physically resurrected in perfect health.
So, to me, what works Jesus did while on Earth, was just a sample or small preview, or coming attraction, of what Jesus will be doing on a grand-global scale during his coming 1000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.
Before Jesus takes that action, the political can act as God's arm of the Law to get rid of troublesome religion.
In the past God used the political/military to do His will against Babylon, and un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70.
The United Nations already sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world.
Perhaps with a bad economy the wealth the 'religions of the world' have amassed could look easy for the taking.
So, with backing the U.N. can be strengthened to become God's modern-day arm of the Law.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I'd say that from the larger perspective- peace, like love, has no meaning unless we understand what the alternative really means. So we need to know hate and war, before we can really achieve, know anything else.
On a more tangible level, I think we are moving in the right direction, we are down to only a handful of socialist / dictatorship / rogue nations remaining today, which are the crux of, not only their own, but everyone else's problems. On the other hand the stakes are higher of course with the capacity of these states to do harm. I think the Bible is looking like a good predictor once again, it's going to be down to the wire..
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
We don't kill each other that often. One big war once a generation, a few scattered murders in between. These days, a person can go a whole lifetime without killing anyone, if they really try. There are nations whose military is a small portion of their population, and whole societies that don't wage war at all. I have faith that we'll kick the habit altogether. Eventually.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Belief accomplishes nothing.
Humans have already begun a mass extinction that we are in the process and cause of.
That includes pretty much everyone, even yourself.
Uhm. No. The UN needs to keep religion out, and to become "God's arm of the Law" would be a violation of the UN's own charter of freedom of religion.
The state and religion need to become and remain fully separated like a stove fire and water.
The general trend has been much less death due to war, for example comparing the first half the twentieth century to the second.
All wars in the 20th century, since 1900 | the Polynational War Memorial
I have voted yes to world peace being possible.
It might seem that way, although the current state of relative peace we're experiencing now is more analogous to the pause in conflict commonly known as a "Mexican standoff." Maybe nobody's shooting, but it doesn't exactly imply a truly "peaceful" situation either.
IT IS TWO AND A HALF MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Absolute, universal peace can never be realized by a tribally-oriented species that contains multiple tribes.
VioletVortex
Well-Known Member
That is a valid point. Maybe the current state of the world fits the ancient definition of "world peace". Complete peace is impossible, though.
I was Not saying the UN needs to keep in, or even be religion, more like kick out troublesome religion.
I said with backing the UN can be strengthened to become God's ' arm of the law ' to carry out His wishes to get rid of troublesome religion. In the year 70 unfaithful Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman armies. God used that political/military world to carry out His justice. So, there is No reason to doubt that God will once again use the political/military realm to do away with modern unfaithful troublesome religion.
Man has set man's doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set close to striking the dark midnight hour.
However, God has set His clock's hands close to the starting of the millennial dawning of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth when there will be world-wide Peace on Earth - Micah 4:3-4.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
There will be no world peace even when the human race is gone. Animals eat other animals to survive.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The UN is made of nations. It can't kick a religion out. Doing so would also violate it's own Declaration of Human Rights.
Those they would be fighting fully believe that they are the ones fighting for God's cause. People have thought this for a thousand years or so now. The weapons have changed, but that's about it.
If god is omnipotent, why must he use armies of mortals? If he is benevolent, loving, merciful, and peaceful, why not either just get rid of such things from our thoughts, or just suddenly kill those violent nasty people and not expose so many to the horrors of war?
Possible? Yes. Probable? No.
That we even have complex society at all indicates the opposite IMO. Nonetheless conflicting interests are inevitable and as a result violence will always be a possibility
Optimistically, economic ruin and or nuclear devastation is in no one's interests. (So long as the powers that be stay at least moderately rational that is).
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Sure, with backing the UN can be strengthened to turn on religion.
Even a bad economy can make the wealth the religions have amassed look easy for the taking.
Just as the political military world of ancient Babylon turned on God's unfaithful people.
Just as the political military world God used the Roman armies in year 70 against unfaithful people.
So, that same pattern shows God will once again use the political/military world on run-afoul religions.
I agree people have thought, and been clergy taught, that they are fighting for God's cause.
Even some clergy have used the pulpit as a recruiting station so parents will sacrifice their young on the Altar of War as if that is the same as the Altar of God, which it is Not.
Since we are Not created as automatons or robots then God will Not choose our thoughts for us.
However, the executional words from Jesus' mouth will suddenly kill violent nasty people according to Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16. That is because according to Revelation 19:11 Jesus with angelic armies (Not humans) will carry on righteous warfare meaning No one righteous will be in harm's way.
In my view, only the humble meek will remain - Matthew 5:5; Proverbs 2:21-22
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When you mention economic ruin what comes to my mind is something a professor Alexander Tyler said in the late 1700's. He mentioned that when people figure out how to get the money out of the treasury that causes economic collapse (or ruin). Surely I agree nuclear destruction is in No one's interests, so I find comfort in that the Bible relates to us that God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth at Revelation 11:18 B.
Since the United Nations ( includes powers that be ) already sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world, then they can conclude that 'it is now rational' to do away with troublesome religion.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I have two issues with that post:
First is it makes no sense. God used Babylonians, who did not worship him, to bring the faithful under the control of whom? The Babylonians certainly did not spread the word of Jehovah. The Romans also worshiped their own pantheon which was similar to the Greeks. When they spread out, they didn't bring people under Jehovah's rule and law, it was Roman rule and law. This scenario doesn't even have god getting his name involved.
Second, is god so weak he has to use humans to do his dirty work, and so cold that he sends people ultimately to war to enforce his will? At the hands of people who don't even care about him and for the most part don't know about him (Julius Caesar, no doubt, knew of the Jewish religion, the common Roman probably didn't)?
And, third, why is god resorting to war? Does he not know of how terrible and dreadful it is for us?