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Featured Is witchcraft a faith that deserves respect?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Estro Felino, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Crazy Diamond

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    Three things;
    1) An Indianapolis judge ordered a divorcing couple, both Wiccan, to not expose their child to "non mainstream religions" even though both parents agreed to raising their child Wiccan.
    2) You believe some things yourself that are false (as we all do)
    3) Who the **** cares? Their beliefs are over all very benign and they aren't hurting or bothering anyone. If anything, they tend to not eschew going to the doctor and they don't shame sexuality. I'd rather people follow Wicca than a religion that includes the possibility of justifying murder.
     
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  2. Shadow Wolf

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    It depends on what people do with those beliefs. The beliefs of ISIS and the Taliban, for example, do not deserve respect. The average Muslim deserves as much respect as any other human, Boko Haram does not.
     
  3. DavidMcCann

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    Evidence? If claiming that something can be done is as good as doing it, we'd all have Nobel Prizes!

    Ritual processes can change the mental states of people and mental states can change the nature of things. e.g.
    Nash, C. Psychokinetic control of bacterial growth. Jnl Soc. Psi. Res. 51(1982) pp 217-21.

    She was an anthropologist and historian, not a scientist.
     
  4. paarsurrey

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    Is witchcraft a faith that deserves respect?

    What I get from the discussion is that
    the superstitious , mythical and violent part of all religions , or non-religions worldviews should be discouraged and not-supported.

    Regards
     
  5. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Failing to respect the beliefs of others is not intolerance. Oppressing them for those beliefs is, but politely considering them nonsense is not. It's actually a form of tolerance. Nobody has a right to expect more.
     
  6. dianaiad

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    The OP wasn't simply talking about politely considering other beliefs 'nonsense.' The op was going considerably further than that. Indeed, was quoting from and agreeing with:

    ".....certain beliefs, since Enlightenment took place, don't deserve respect..and tolerating them is an insult to the values of the European Civilization."

    There is no way that 'tolerating them is an insult to the values of the European Civilization' can possibly be equated with 'politely considering them nonsense."

    In fact, the statement quoted in the OP put me VERY strongly in mind of the KKK, White Supremacy groups, the writer of 'the Protocols of the Elders of Zion," Farrkhan's "Nation of Islam," and the good evangelical Christians who figure that the mere existence of groups like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are 'insults to Christianity."

    I'm sorry, but rhetoric like that makes me very, very nervous.
     
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  7. Wild Fox

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    The majority followers of witchcraft would agree with you. The violent parts of religions need to discouraged and not supported which is one of the main beliefs of the modern movement. Do not harm others.
     
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    Failing to respect others beliefs is intolerance. You do not need to believe in them but should respect the fact that other people do have such beliefs. To politically call them nonsense is to pass judgement and invite disrespect that allows others show prejudice against those people. Since beliefs in Christianity can be seen as non rational then can we politically call Christianity as nonsense and not respect Christian beliefs?
     
  9. Politesse

    Politesse Amor Vincit Omnia

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    Is witchcraft a faith that deserves respect? No, because it is not a "faith", rather a blanket term for a great many practices in many different traditions. But aside from Christian prejudice, I see no reason to deny any or all of those traditions respect.

    As for Trocchi, I don't wish to speak ill of the dead, especially when the manner of death was so tragic, but at least among her international colleagues her credentials were very much in doubt by the time she passed. Many liked her as a person, but her conspiracy theories and so forth about the occult were her bete noir, and led her to commit many ethical violations relative to her informants.
     
  10. Prestor John

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    What is "witchcraft"?
     
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    Many Christian denominations believe the same thing.
     
  12. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Disagree. Intolerance doesn't arise until there is active resistance or oppression.

    Why?

    How does one respect a fact or a belief? That seems like a misuse of the word - a category error. Respect is reserved for people and other sentient creatures, not abstractions. Ideas one only holds or doesn't hold.

    I accept (not respect) that the fact that the faithful have such beliefs, that they are entitled to hold and express them, and that they deserve to be treated civilly. Nobody is entitled to more. I feel free to consider various ideas unfounded and to disregard any claim that cannot be adequately supported, and to express those opinions at times. We are constantly disagreeing with the beliefs of the fundamentalists as well as the method they employed to come by them - faith. That in and of itself is not disrespectful or intolerant.

    I reject Christianity because there is insufficient evidence to do otherwise. It is a faith-based worldview, and I reject the claim that faith is a path to truth and knowledge. How can faith be a path to truth or knowledge when any idea and its mutually exclusive, polar opposite can be believed by faith, and at least one of them is wrong?

    I think that most unbelievers here treat the believers respectfully, even when disagreeing with them and how they determine what is true about reality.
     
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