Is witchcraft a faith that deserves respect?

[Estro Felino]

Nevertheless, it was a phrase I borrowed from an Italian anthropologist, Cecilia Gatto Trocchi with whom I identify a lot. She's a secularist like me. A rationalist like me. A fan of French Enlightenment like me.

Well...she basically says that certain beliefs, since Enlightenment took place, don't deserve respect..and tolerating them is an insult to the values of the European Civilization.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Nevertheless, it was a phrase I borrowed from an Italian anthropologist, Cecilia Gatto Trocchi with whom I identify a lot. She's a secularist like me. A rationalist like me. A fan of French Enlightenment like me.

Well...she basically says that certain beliefs, since Enlightenment took place, don't deserve respect..and tolerating them is an insult to the values of the European Civilization.

Do you have an English translation? The cab's aren't english (Italian?)

 

[Vaderecta]

That is kind of the problem. There is this idea that all beliefs need respect even if their really wrong. The hypocrites that believe this will easily say pedophilia is a wrong belief but all other beliefs are to be respected. Bring up more examples of wrong beliefs and they will keep changing the goal posts. At some point people need to embrace that non-scientific and personal beliefs are fine but don't argue they're a protected right. Some might warrant criticism and scorn. Magic or Magick doesn't exist anymore then the astral plane or Odin. (Except Odin is pretty awesome in the movies... except when Loki was playing him...)

Also people don't know their history. Witches used to be put to death and now we are like fine be a witch or a warlock and cast your spells and do your rituals and pretend to be whatever you want. We don't care. It's just you roleplaying some belief system. Don't long for the old days where people took these reindeer games seriously. They were stupid. Be who you want to be but If I need to send a rocket to the moon or mars I'm going to look to science and not you for some protection and rabbit fast spell.

 

[David T]

Yes i saw her on SNL.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You mean like Wicca and such? Sure, why not. It's certainly less harmful than some other religions. I don't see what the problem is. Are witches somehow harming or society with their beliefs? If not, why target them for scorn or discrimination?

 

[Estro Felino]

T Witches used to put to death and now we are like fine be a witch or a warlock and cast your spells and do your rituals and pretend to be whatever you want..

Indeed...believing in witchcraft kinda justifies the murderers of the Holy Inquisition and the Salem witch trials...because they believed in that stuff too, so there was no difference between perpetrator and victim

 

[Vaderecta]

You mean like Wicca and such? Sure, why not. It's certainly less harmful than some other religions. I don't see what the problem is. Are witches somehow harming or society with their beliefs? If not, why target them for scorn or discrimination?

I don't think anyone is hanging witches anymore. (Well looked that up and apparently some countries still do that, but not here) No one wants to target them with scorn or discrimination for their beliefs. You can believe the clouds are marshmallows and the moon is made of cheese. The big problem is when a fantasy belief is debunked by modern science and the believers try to hold up their belief as something equal to science. In my example a spell of protection and speed on a craft designed to carry you to the moon as opposed to a team of engineers.

 

[Axe Elf]

I like wicca furniture...

 

[Vaderecta]

Indeed...believing in witchcraft kinda justifies the murderers of the Holy Inquisition and the Salem witch trials

Don't know if your serious. They did believe in witchcraft and killed the witches. Modern people dont believe in witchcraft and dont care what you do. And I noticed your a believer in free will. I don't think thats possible and discussed it recently in a thread called freewill revisited. You might find it interesting. (And I might be completely wrong)

 

[Vaderecta]

I like wicca furniture...

Agreed.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Indeed...believing in witchcraft kinda justifies the murderers of the Holy Inquisition and the Salem witch trials

How does Wicca justify those acts of lunacy and barbarity? The Inquistition didn't really have anything to do with witchcraft, by the way.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think anyone is hanging witches anymore. (Well looked that up and apparently some countries still do that, but not here) No one wants to target them with scorn or discrimination for their beliefs. You can believe the clouds are marshmallows and the moon is made of cheese. The big problem is when a fantasy belief is debunked by modern science and the believers try to hold up their belief as something equal to science. In my example a spell of protection and speed on a craft designed to carry you to the moon as opposed to a team of engineers.

That's nice.

 

[Estro Felino]

In Romance languages the terms (sorcellerie, stregoneria, brujerìa, bruxaria) have all negative connotations.

Semantically the English language dignifies the term with the suffix craft

 

[England my lionheart]

Nevertheless, it was a phrase I borrowed from an Italian anthropologist, Cecilia Gatto Trocchi with whom I identify a lot. She's a secularist like me. A rationalist like me. A fan of French Enlightenment like me.

Well...she basically says that certain beliefs, since Enlightenment took place, don't deserve respect..and tolerating them is an insult to the values of the European Civilization.

Does it deserve less than any other faith, it has some similarities with the church, ceremony and incantations.

 

[Estro Felino]

Does it deserve less than any other faith, it has some similarities with the church, ceremony and incantations.

Indeed...that anthropologist said that religions are supposed to rationalize themselves, to gain credibility. Some didn't, some did.

 

[England my lionheart]

Indeed...that anthropologist said that religions are supposed to rationalize themselves, to gain credibility. Some didn't, some did.

I guess witchcraft wasn't really a collective until wicca came along, Europe and America killed plenty in the witch hunts.

 

[Shad]

Do you have an English translation? The cab's aren't english (Italian?)

You need to click the cog and set the CC to English using the google translate feature. The English is broken as it is just a software translation not a transcript

 

[Estro Felino]

0:33
- If you confess, I'll be clement
- All right, I admit it...I confess I am a witch.
- Good. She will be burnt at the stakes in Campo de Fiori.
- What? You said you'd be clement.
- In fact tomorrow I will be elected Pope Clemens X
- Ba*tard!


LOL

 

[Altfish]

Does it deserve less than any other faith, it has some similarities with the church, ceremony and incantations.

This.
It makes as much sense as any other religion and deserves a similar amount of respect.

 

[England my lionheart]

This.
It makes as much sense as any other religion and deserves a similar amount of respect.

Absolutely.