Is Trump Fit To remain as the President of the USA?

[james dixon]

I don't judge him as fit or unfit...

You should, this is the duty of the citizens of the USA
Trump has already committed treason.

Trump, through executive order; has removed numerous safeguards that were intended to protect US citizens

Trump is a pathological liar (which is a mental illness)

Last but not least, I will repeat; Trump has committed “treason” & continues to do so & the Republicans who condone this are committing treason as well

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[Revoltingest]

You should, this is the duty of the citizens of the USA

Duty?
I'm no patriot with a sense of that.

Trump has already committed treason.

In your opinion...not mine.

Trump, through executive order; has removed numerous safeguards that were intended to protect US citizens

Trump is a pathological liar (which is a mental illness)

Last but not least, I will repeat; Trump has committed “treason” & continues to do so & the Republicans who condone this are committing treason as well

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That's nice.

 

[james dixon]

Duty?
I'm no patriot with a sense of that.
That's nice.

Did you vote in the Presidential election-?

& yes, I did
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[Revoltingest]

Did you vote in the Presidential election-?

& yes, I did
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Yes.
And I wasn't going to ask.
I understand both voting & not voting.

 

[james dixon]

I understand both voting & not voting.

As do I -

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The current choices I see for anti-Trumpers.....
1) Replace Trump with Pence.
2) Replace Pence with....????

does not the speaker come next on the list?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

As for his being fit, what are the criteria?
Liking him?
Hating him?
His ability to legally remain in office (ie, not impeached & convicted)?

I don't judge him as fit or unfit....only better or worse than the alternative.
In 2016 he was better than Hillary (but not Sanders or Johnson).
In 2019 he is better than Pence.

It appears that you still don’t get it. It is not a matter of liking or hating him. Yes, he is repugnant, but that is beside the point. There is no such thing as TDS, or a left-wing desire for a “nanny state”. Right wing straw-man nonsense.

Yes, Hillary was clearly the better choice back in 2016, but whether Pence is better in 2019 is beside the point. We the people cannot be intimidated, and we cannot continue to tolerate a criminal in the White House; or else it sets a precedent for any future presidents to believe that they are infallible and invincible.

Trump must be removed.


We will have to deal with Pence until the 2020 election.
There is no other choice.

does not the speaker come next on the list?

Yes. And Pelosi would be a much better president than either of the 2 men currently “leading” the administrative branch.

 

[Revoltingest]

does not the speaker come next on the list?

Yes.
I wondered if that was the 3rd choice the poster had in mind.

 

[Watchmen]

It appears that you still don’t get it. It is not a matter of liking or hating him. Yes, he is repugnant, but that is beside the point. There is no such thing as TDS, or a left-wing desire for a “nanny state”. Right wing straw-man nonsense.

Yes, Hillary was clearly the better choice back in 2016, but whether Pence is better in 2019 is beside the point. We the people cannot be intimidated, and we cannot continue to tolerate a criminal in the White House; or else it sets a precedent for any future presidents to believe that they are infallible and invincible.

Trump must be removed.


We will have to deal with Pence until the 2020 election.
There is no other choice.

Yes. And Pelosi would be a much better president than either of the 2 men currently “leading” the administrative branch.

On what grounds should Trump be removed? “I don’t like him” is insufficient.

 

[Shaul]

Pity those that suffer from “Trump derangement syndrome”. Trump lives in their heads and they wallow in fantasies.

Oh, and it’s a fact, Donald Trump is still President.

 

[Revoltingest]

It appears that you still don’t get it.

Riiight...I'm the problem here.

It is not a matter of liking or hating him.

But this is 99% of the anti-Trumpettes' (& your) voiced objection to him.

Yes, he is repugnant, but that is beside the point. There is no such thing as TDS, or a left-wing desire for a “nanny state”. Right wing straw-man nonsense.

In your post (#89) you invited me to make a personal diagnosis.
TDS has symptoms....
- Loud & abusive speech towards him & anyone who voted for him.
- Mistaking correcting anti-Trumpett errors for supporting & excusing him.
- Thinking he's Hitler or such ilk.
- Lack of analysis, & focusing upon him personally instead of policies.
- Lack of consideration for consequences of their own speech & acts.
The heartbreak of TDS is real & epidemic.

Yes, Hillary was clearly the better choice back in 2016...

That is your view, but I disagree.

...but whether Pence is better in 2019 is beside the point.

For those who'd impeach & remove him, it is an issue.

We the people cannot be intimidated, and we cannot continue to tolerate a criminal in the White House; or else it sets a precedent for any future presidents to believe that they are infallible and invincible.
Trump must be removed.

You've convinced yourself that the course you want is righteous & inexorable.
TDS anyone?

We will have to deal with Pence until the 2020 election.
There is no other choice.

Of course there's a choice.
And I've discussed the preference to avoid Pence with avowed Trump opponents.
Many dislike Trump, but don't succumb to TDS or TAD.

Yes. And Pelosi would be a much better president than either of the 2 men currently “leading” the administrative branch.

You believe that.
I don't know, such things being hard to predict.
But to get to Pelosi you must rid Pence,
which will likely wait until the 2020 election.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

"Revoltingest, post: 6102789, member: 22490"]Riiight...I'm the problem here.
Well. I put up several posts, pointing out his bad policies, along with others, and you 1. don’t respond to the policy issues, and 2. then tell us that we are too emotional and not considering policy issues, so.....yeah.

But this is 99% of the anti-Trumpettes' (& your) voiced objection to him. Admittedly, this is difficult to restrain in most cases, because it is precisely his malleable, amoral, and yet arrogant personality that has led directly to so many errors in approach and application to so many policies. It is also difficult to not suffer bruised foreheads from all the slapping we must do in the frustration of talking to his apologists who, for indiscernible reasons, don’t see this obvious set of points.
Perhaps if the Trumpettes (including you) actually looked at the whole situation with a logical and unemotional eye, rather than rushing blindly to protect and praise this pathological liar and narcissist, we could have a calm conversation.

In your post (#89) you invited me to make a personal diagnosis.
TDS has symptoms....
- Loud & abusive speech towards him & anyone who voted for him.
- Mistaking correcting anti-Trumpett errors for supporting & excusing him.
- Thinking he's Hitler or such ilk.
- Lack of analysis, & focusing upon him personally instead of policies.
- Lack of consideration for consequences of their own speech & acts.
The heartbreak of TDS is real & epidemic.
Nope. I rechecked my post #89, and I never asked you to come up with fantasy symptoms for this fantasy syndrome you and other righties like to throw around as if it were real, whenever anyone corrects you or doesn’t support Don the Con. I did however, end by asking you if you wanted to discuss policies.
Ironic, eh?

That is your view, but I disagree. OK.

For those who'd impeach & remove him, it is an issue. But the rule of law is more important....than you, or me, or Trump, or Pence. As always, this is about the impact on our country and of our country, on many generations yet to come. It is why our soldiers fight for our country, and not for any passing president. Short-sightedness, and fear of short term pain for ourselves should not override our duty to our great-great-grandchildren.
So, to paraphrase many a righty here. Stop being a crybaby snowflake, and suck it up.

You've convinced yourself that the course you want is righteous & inexorable. It is.
TDS anyone? Fear and sucker for propaganda anyone?

Of course there's a choice.
And I've discussed the preference to avoid Pence with avowed Trump opponents.
Many dislike Trump, but don't succumb to TDS or TAD. Again. You’ve been played. The cure for both of these make-believe ailments is the removal of the T. By Congress or by ballot. Justice as well as care for democracy and our country demand that we move forward with investigations, and not turn a blind eye to save us from fear.
Don’t succumb to PDS or PAD.

You believe that.
I don't know, such things being hard to predict.
But to get to Pelosi you must rid Pence,
which will likely wait until the 2020 election. Yeah. Your probably right on that. So be it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Duty?
I'm no patriot with a sense of that.

Then I take it that you have repented from having voted back in 2016?

Either you take responsibility for your vote, or you do not.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Revoltingest, post: 6102789, member: 22490"]Riiight...I'm the problem here.

It's customary to quote one's post in such a fashion as to alert one to a response.
It seems that lately more posters are skipping that.
I only noticed because I persused some threads after the latest GOT episode.

Yes, you invited personal diagnosis.
Your offering it to me was your invitation to reciprocate.
At this point, you're not covering any new ground.
So I've nothing to add.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then I take it that you have repented from having voted back in 2016?

Either you take responsibility for your vote, or you do not.

You keep taking things the wrong way.
I suspect it's mischievous.
You should accept that neither of us likes the other's political preferences.
It doesn't bother me. It shouldn't bother you.

 

[LuisDantas]

You keep taking things the wrong way.
I suspect it's mischievous.

Seriously? I am trying to deal with what has all the characteristics of a deliberate destructive action.

In three years you have yet to show me any indication that it is not pure and simple insanity festering.

You should accept that neither of us likes the other's political preferences.

That is a non-issue.

What we are discussing is on a much more serious level of existence.

It doesn't bother me. It shouldn't bother you.

Indeed, it should not. Because politics are not supposed to stoop this low.

Things are as they are, not as they should be.

 

[Revoltingest]

In three years you have yet to show me any indication that it is not pure and simple insanity festering.

Things are never black & white....pure good vs pure evil....saints vs Satan.
To see politicians & their effects in that light is a delusion.

Indeed, it should not. Because politics are not supposed to stoop this low.
Things are as they are, not as they should be.

I too would prefer that things be better.
As for serious discussion, that's been hard to achieve here lately.
People in the throes of hatred aren't interesting.

 

[LuisDantas]

Things are never black & white....pure good vs pure evil....saints vs Satan.
To see politicians & their effects in that light is a delusion.

Interesting to see you say that. I stand reminded of the focus of Trump's discourse.

Therefore, my point stands reinforced.

I too would prefer that things be better.
As for serious discussion, that's been hard to achieve here lately.
People in the throes of hatred aren't interesting.

They are very interesting, actually.

Frustrating and despairing, but also interesting.

 

[Revoltingest]

Frustrating and despairing, but also interesting.

Endless strings of epithets certainly do have their appeal.
Just not to me.

 

[Shad]

does not the speaker come next on the list?

Yes, Speaker of the House