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Is premarital sex moral or immoral?
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Spartan
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I don't walk to the beat of your Biblically-challenged drummer.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
The Bible, which isn't such a good book, is a mere human production which can be interpreted in so many ways, some crazier than others!
Spiritually-challenged liberals and heathens are clear evidence of that.
There are several situations that might make sex less than moral, but I don't think that the simple absence of a marriage commitment is or should be perceived as one of those.
Sex is supposed to be an expression of attraction and affection. That relates to marriage in that marriage empowers sexual relations and their meaning, certainly. But treating it as a requirement for sexual relations is going way too far.
Sex is supposed to be an expression of attraction and affection. That relates to marriage in that marriage empowers sexual relations and their meaning, certainly. But treating it as a requirement for sexual relations is going way too far.
Far better to be a liberal Christian or an unbeliever than a religious extremist, who forces their faith upon others with threats if they don't convert!
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Strawman. Liberalism embraces the brown shirt, jack-boot of socialism, where the government has its book on the necks of the people, FORCING redistribution of income. It embraces unbiblical sodomy and the infanticide of the innocent unborn. Liberalism is moral, economic, and intellectual syphilis.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
There is no evidence it is. It certainly does not promote love and kindness and the adherents to it do not act any more moral than anyone else, and sometimes worse. What good is it then?
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Ask the other first world countries about their politics. They love it, for the most part. Oh cripes, the worn out fundy go-to issues. Please educate yourself on the historical and cultural context of your religion.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
I have. And it's ignorant of people to kick Biblical Christianity to the curb. It shows their own understanding of it is what's bogus.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Yawn. You talking about liberal churches too?
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Depends. They are more likely to act like Jesus though.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
I haven't seen any evidence of that.
I suspect Jesus, if he was around today, could say the same about you as you aren't doing the faith any favours. The phrase, 'Depart from me for I never knew you', springs to mind.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Yada yada yada...
Go tell it to your pet carp. It might be impressed with it, but I doubt it.
You might not be a happy bunny if you arrive at the doors of heaven and St Peter slams them in your face.
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Helping the poor, sick and marginalized, like Jesus did.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
So also do conservative churches.
But do the liberal churches teach that active gays need to repent of their immoral sins (Luke 13:3)?
Spartan
Well-Known Member
You might not be a happy bunny if you arrive at the doors of heaven and St Peter slams them in your face.
I'm not the one who is in danger of Hell fire. It's those who deny the warning in Romans 1:26-27, I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.
Romans 1:26-27: Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
They generally give to christian charities and when they don't, they force a sermon first. I even heard someone say, "Get the people saved and they won't have any more problems." Yikes! Helping as a way to proselytize is dishonest. Liberal churches know the cultural and historical context of the Bible verses, and they know that sexual orientation is not a choice. They tend to be very educated, whereas conservative christians tend to be the least education and often have a disdain for higher education. They know that education leads to less belief, as well as knowing that a government safety net leads to less belief. It's all about butts in seats, as if it were a holy contest or something.
For gay, lesbian and bi people, their "natural relations" include same-sex relations.