Starfish
Please no sarcasm
No. But I don't remember taking my first step either. I trust those who told me when and where it happened.
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Is God evil because He causes death?
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crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
My parents made the choice to have me, I had no input into the process. Therefore, your supposed god bears the blame for all of my suffering.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
Do you mean, what would have happened had we chosen NOT to come to this world?
Many made that choice. One third of us. They never received bodies and now dwell with Satan. Apparantly Satan made that choice seem pretty appealing at the time. The rest of us chose to follow Christ and his plan.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
How do you know for sure? Maybe you chose your parents. It's possible. Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
I understood mball to be talking about making the choice of coming into a world where evil and suffering exist. I never had that choice, that's for sure. But then I asked what difference that would make? Would him choosing a perfect world eliminate evil and suffering anyways? See what I mean?
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
Whether or not that was an option, I don't really know. I doubt we did have the option of a perfect world, because we are here to be tested, and what kind of test would that be? It's like taking a final exam with all the answers already in place. What's the point?
How do you know what you chose? Some people here are quick to blame God for something they can't be sure of. And not so quick to consider another side.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
I think the issue is more about not even wanting to take the test. In which I would say what is the point of complaining about a test you don't even believe exist.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
I think the issue is more about not even wanting to take the test. In which I would say what is the point of complaining about a test you don't even believe exist.
I believe simply being here was a choice. God is all about choice/agency. It was a guaranteed gift to us, with all the consequences. I don't believe we were forced into this life (test), and many chose not to do it.
Like my analogy of the mountain climber. We wanted that prize. We wanted to reach the top of the mountain, knowing the risks and what it would take to get there.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Are you talking about having a choice in our very existance?
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
No. Just the choice whether or not to come to this earth, as part of our existance.
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
I know I didn't choose to exist, it was forced upon me.
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
Choosing to exist, and choosing to come to this earth, are two different things. I don't know if we had a choice in the former, but we did in the latter.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Wait a cotton pickin minute.......are you LDS?
Starfish
Please no sarcasm
Yes. As per the initials. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Alright...I know where you are coming from now.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Bingo. The lack of an existence of God matches better with reality than the existence of God.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
No code of conduct within atheism!
I would never have known that. What with...me being an atheist and all.:sarcastic
The assertion of the problem of evil is irrelevant to my post you referenced.
At what point am I wrong in asserting that atheists using a characterization of an object they don't believe in as a reason to not believe in that object as being absurd.
Oh wait....I'm not wrong.
I'll check back again in a couple of days to see if anyone has yet to get the first clue.
edit: Here's a hint. Since this is getting old and I am guilty of being purposely obtuse. Imagine an individual which cannot believe that which they don't see asserting a disbelief in the invisible pink unicorn because it's pink.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
No code of conduct within atheism!
I would never have known that. What with...me being an atheist and all.:sarcastic
The assertion of the problem of evil is irrelevant to my post you referenced.
At what point am I wrong in asserting that atheists using a characterization of an object they don't believe in as a reason to not believe in that object as being absurd.
Oh wait....I'm not wrong.
I'll check back again in a couple of days to see if anyone has yet to get the first clue.
edit: Here's a hint. Since this is getting old and I am guilty of being purposely obtuse. Imagine an individual which cannot believe that which they don't see asserting a disbelief in the invisible pink unicorn because it's pink.
The problem of evil hardly works like your analogy. It is simple. A theory is proposed to you that a god exist. This god is all powerful, all knowing and is perfectly good. You than reject that theory because it is inconsistent with the evidence at hand. If it was not for these inconsistencies in the god theory than I would be agnostic. But beside that fact I came here to these religious forums to discuss religious topics such as God. But for some strange reason you seem to have a problem with that.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Of course he does! Why would you discuss God on a religious forum? And where did you learn to argue? You never take a premise you don't believe, to be true! Everybody knows that. Instead of trying to reason with someone of faith, you just simply tell them: God does not exist. End of story. Don't ever try to see the other person's side of things! That's just absurd!
God does not create death. Death is the wage that we pay when we sin. The only human to have never sinned in their life was Jesus Christ, because he ransomed a perfect life to replace the one Adam lost when he sinned. It was through Adam that sin entered the world and it is through christ that sin will leave the world, but that does not happen until after Armageddon.