Is God evil because He causes death?

[4nashiym]

That makes no sense at all. If that was true than all births would be stillbirths because every new life will encounter evil. Why not everyone than? Also you are saying that God who creates life made a mistake. Why would God give life only to take it at birth? The way you put it it is like God is is correcting an error that he/she made.

Your logic is among the worst I have encountered.
It is case-to-case basis.
Also, my God can not err, maybe yours (if you ever have) can.
God can take the life anytime he wants to because he has power over it.

 

[4nashiym]

1.) Are you telling me that Omayra Sánchez's death was not torture? A little girl suffered a horrific death that took three long days.


2.) Yes. An all powerful god has no need to use such barbaric methods. If that is how your God behaves than your God is not worthy of worship.

1.) Is God the one who cause the torture?

2.) What barbaric methods are you referring to?

 

[Magic Man]

Your logic is among the worst I have encountered.
It is case-to-case basis.
Also, my God can not err, maybe yours (if you ever have) can.
God can take the life anytime he wants to because he has power over it.

So, if I have power over you, I can take your life anytime I want? I know you believe your God can't err, then why would he kill? If he has that much power, I'm going to say he could find another way to accomplish his goal without killing children. If I did have a god, he wouldn't be a hypocrite.

 

[gnomon]

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle

The two of you don't have the first clue. Never mind the outstanding evidence the both of you have put forward into proving my initial claim.

Sorry, I'm all out of quotes. I tend to speak my own mind.

 

[Magic Man]

The two of you don't have the first clue. Never mind the outstanding evidence the both of you have put forward into proving my initial claim.

Sorry, I'm all out of quotes. I tend to speak my own mind.

Well, I'm glad you're happy. Just remember that you're being as "blind" as the theists you think don't see the truth that you see.

 

[4nashiym]

So, if I have power over you, I can take your life anytime I want? I know you believe your God can't err, then why would he kill? If he has that much power, I'm going to say he could find another way to accomplish his goal without killing children. If I did have a god, he wouldn't be a hypocrite.

1. You can, if you're the one who gave my life. Unfortunately, you aren't.
2. Furthermore, If God would take someone's life, he do it justly. He wouldn't think and act like you anyway.
3. Having no god, you sure fall into this:
Psalms 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

 

[Sola'lor]

So, if I have power over you, I can take your life anytime I want? I know you believe your God can't err, then why would he kill? If he has that much power, I'm going to say he could find another way to accomplish his goal without killing children. If I did have a god, he wouldn't be a hypocrite.

If you did have a God how would you explain the death of children? And how would your God not be hypocritical in relation to this?

 

[Jeremiah]

Huh?:areyoucra I'm trying to understand your reasoning tha's why I asked those questions. I can't progress until I understand more about your views.

I see. I have been thinking about writing the whole thing out. I guess I can't really expect you to fill in some of the gaps I left. You might want to do some reading on the the promble of evil on your own though.

 

[Sola'lor]

I see. I have been thinking about writing the whole thing out. I guess I can't really expect you to fill in some of the gaps I left. You might want to do some reading on the the promble of evil on your own though.

I just read through the wikipedia on the problem of evil.

 

[Magic Man]

If you did have a God how would you explain the death of children? And how would your God not be hypocritical in relation to this?

If I had a god, it would not be all-good. It probably wouldn't be omnipotent, or omniscient either. My "god" would also not give me commands like "Do not kill", and "you must worship only me". My god would give us the ability to see his reasoning. I would then explain children's deaths by way of its just not caring, and maybe even getting pleasure out of watching our lives.

Either that, or I'd believe more in a god that was simply all that is. That would mean that everything is as it is and children's deaths are just the random chance that they are.

 

[Sola'lor]

If I had a god, it would not be all-good. It probably wouldn't be omnipotent, or omniscient either. My "god" would also not give me commands like "Do not kill", and "you must worship only me". My god would give us the ability to see his reasoning. I would then explain children's deaths by way of its just not caring, and maybe even getting pleasure out of watching our lives.

Either that, or I'd believe more in a god that was simply all that is. That would mean that everything is as it is and children's deaths are just the random chance that they are.

Cool. Just curious about how you would make it work.

 

[Magic Man]

Cool. Just curious about how you would make it work.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity. I fear I didn't do myself justice, but it's way past my bedtime.

 

[Sola'lor]

Thanks for giving me the opportunity. I fear I didn't do myself justice, but it's way past my bedtime.

It's past mine too. Unfortunatly I'm at work and have five more hours. I think I get the jist of what you are describing.

 

[Jeremiah]

The two of you don't have the first clue. Never mind the outstanding evidence the both of you have put forward into proving my initial claim.

Sorry, I'm all out of quotes. I tend to speak my own mind.

Is this the post you are talking about.


"Using the notion of evil against the existence of a God is absurd. How an atheist could ever posit such an argument and still maintain an atheistic viewpoint.......is absurd as well." - gnomon

Why don't you try researching the subject some. I think you'll find that you are wrong. I would also like to point out that there is no code of conduct within atheism. The only thing that is absurd here is your idea that we must all act/think a certain way.

What one has here, however, is not just a puzzle, since the question can, of course, be recast as an argument for the non-existence of God. Thus if, for simplicity, we focus on a conception of God as all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good, one very concise way of formulating such an argument is as follows:

1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.

That this argument is valid is perhaps most easily seen by a reductio argument, in which one assumes that the conclusion — (7) — is false, and then shows that the denial of (7), along with premises (1) through (6), leads to a contradiction. Thus if, contrary to (7), God exists, it follows from (1) that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect. This, together with (2), (3), and (4) then entails that God has the power to eliminate all evil, that God knows when evil exists, and that God has the desire to eliminate all evil. But when (5) is conjoined with the reductio assumption that God exists, it then follows via modus ponens from (6) that either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil. Thus we have a contradiction, and so premises (1) through (6) do validly imply (7).

The Problem of Evil (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[crystalonyx]

Is this the post you are talking about.


"Using the notion of evil against the existence of a God is absurd. How an atheist could ever posit such an argument and still maintain an atheistic viewpoint.......is absurd as well." - gnomon

Why don't you try researching the subject some. I think you'll find that you are wrong. I would also like to point out that there is no code of conduct within atheism. The only thing that is absurd here is your idea that we must all act/think a certain way.

The Problem of Evil (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

But Christians will always reply:

"It's god's will that we suffer". or

"It's good that we suffer."

 

[Starfish]

But Christians will always reply:

"It's god's will that we suffer". or

"It's good that we suffer."

Here's one Christian that doesn't say that. WE chose to come to this world, with all it's suffering. It was OUR will. I can imagine God saying, "Well, alright, but don't blame me", afterwhich we promptly did.

Picture the mountain climber who voluntarily goes through the struggle, exposure, and near-death, just to reach the top. Or the gymnist who puts in years of training and pain, to compete and win in the Olympics. We wanted that gold medal, at the top of that mountain. We chose to try for it. We knew what we were in for. And because of the pain and suffering, we are eligible for the prize.
There is no gold medal without paying the price.

 

[crystalonyx]

. WE chose to come to this world, with all it's suffering. It was OUR will. .

Nobody chooses to come into this world. Therefore, by definition, all suffering is god's fault.

 

[Starfish]

Nobody chooses to come into this world. Therefore, by definition, all suffering is god's fault.

Are you sure? Do you remember not making a choice?

 

[Magic Man]

Are you sure? Do you remember not making a choice?

On the other hand, do you remember making a choice?

 

[Quiddity]

On the other hand, do you remember making a choice?

Just curious, what difference would the choice make?