Is death sentence acceptable?

[Altfish]

If this is your only objection to the death penalty, then what if there were irrefutable proof with a confession of multi-murders by a known criminal without any redeemable qualities whatsoever? And what possible benefit to society was allowing Charles Manson to live and acquire a cult following?

Surely, Charles Manson would have become a martyr or whatever anyway.
I think state murder is barbaric, we are dropping to the criminals' level. The state must maintain the moral high ground.

 

[WalterTrull]

the moral high ground.

Have you ever wondered if there is such a thing?

 

[BSM1]

How?

Well, they won't do that again..

 

[BSM1]

Surely, Charles Manson would have become a martyr or whatever anyway.
I think state murder is barbaric, we are dropping to the criminals' level. The state must maintain the moral high ground.

You have this completely backwards, IMHO. The state must mete out justice--even to the point of ending a person's life--so that we as individuals do not drop to the criminal's level by taking vengeance or revenge into our own hands.

 

[Father Heathen]

You can free the falsely imprisoned, but you can't resurrect the falsely executed.

 

[Altfish]

You have this completely backwards, IMHO. The state must mete out justice--even to the point of ending a person's life--so that we as individuals do not drop to the criminal's level by taking vengeance or revenge into our own hands.

Justice doesn't have to mean murder.

 

[Altfish]

You can free the falsely imprisoned, but you can't resurrect the falsely executed.

Precisely

 

[Father Heathen]

Surely, Charles Manson would have become a martyr or whatever anyway.
I think state murder is barbaric, we are dropping to the criminals' level. The state must maintain the moral high ground.

While I oppose the death penalty, I disagree that killing the guilty who deserve it is somehow just as repugnant as killing the innocent who didn't. Killing murderers ethically questionable? Sure. Killing murderers just as unethical as killing innocents? Nah.

 

[BSM1]

Justice doesn't have to mean murder.

Murder is a legal term. If our judicial system deems that your life should be forfeited for the crimes you have committed on others, then that is by no stretch of the imagination murder.

 

[WalterTrull]

no stretch of the imagination murder.

What's not nice is when we really stretch the ol' imagination in the process. Cringe

 

[BSM1]

Surely, Charles Manson would have become a martyr or whatever anyway.
I think state murder is barbaric, we are dropping to the criminals' level. The state must maintain the moral high ground.

How about this, what if you had the opportunity to kill ol' Charley before he murder an innocent couple and a pregnant lady? Would you let him walk?

 

[BSM1]

What's not nice is when we really stretch the ol' imagination in the process. Cringe

???

 

[WalterTrull]

???

Drawn and quartered? Stoning? Boiling? Schapism is fun. Oh the imagination.

 

[England my lionheart]

I voted yes because I'm in New Zealand ATM and a paroled murderer killed again shortly after being released,this is not the first time this has happened,in the UK it's happened too many times so either the sentence for murder is prison till they die or execution or give the means to kill themselves.

 

[Altfish]

How about this, what if you had the opportunity to kill ol' Charley before he murder an innocent couple and a pregnant lady? Would you let him walk?

Capture him, lock him up so he couldn't carry out the murders.

 

[suncowiam]

You can free the falsely imprisoned, but you can't resurrect the falsely executed.

What about cases that are beyond doubt?

Parkland murderer is an example of irrefutable, correct?

 

[Father Heathen]

What about cases that are beyond doubt?

Parkland murderer is an example of irrefutable, correct?

I think a life imprisonment is worse than death. If anything, death would be an escape.

 

[suncowiam]

I think a life imprisonment is worse than death. If anything, death would be an escape.

But that's not what I asked.

Cases can be irrefutable so the belief that a mistake could be done should not be a factor in the determination of a punishment.

 

[WalterTrull]

Ya know, you do your best. Try not to cause undo pain. We all die. My feeling is that the gas chamber is much more humane than a life in prison.

 

[BSM1]

Capture him, lock him up so he couldn't carry out the murders.

But he had not committed any enforceable crimes up to that point..