Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[Norman]

The general comments about the interpretation of the Sodom and Gomorrah story. It was hard to discern what was original, but I think the text was not colored.

Sorry if my post was confusing, I realize that I need to keep them shorter because of the 1000 word limit in a post. The Sodom and Gomorrah story seems to be a focal point from all views and beliefs of many in society today. Through out the many post's in regards to this story it seems to me it is just beating a dead horse over and over. I do not think that there will ever be a consensus on this story of old, there was a lot going on there, and the Hebrew does not always give a clear indication on certain words because of it's many ways to tell a story. Thank you for responding to my post.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

I kind of agree. But I wouldn't hold the Greeks up as role models here; they also believed you had unfettered sexual access to slaves (regardless of what the slave thought about the matter), and they tended to observe strict rules about penetration in the context of citizens. Hence "intercrural sex" as an alternative outlet. Ironically, this made adult male couplings problematic for the "passive" partner.

I also think it is difficult to decouple this from their horrendous treatment of women.

Of course as with everything it varies by period and polis.

Oh I agree there were things about the cultural gender roles that we'd call archaic. I'd also point out though this could vary be city-state, lest it be mistaken the Hellenes had a unified culture like Egypt.

 

[Ingledsva]

Sorry if my post was confusing, I realize that I need to keep them shorter because of the 1000 word limit in a post. The Sodom and Gomorrah story seems to be a focal point from all views and beliefs of many in society today. Through out the many post's in regards to this story it seems to me it is just beating a dead horse over and over. I do not think that there will ever be a consensus on this story of old, there was a lot going on there, and the Hebrew does not always give a clear indication on certain words because of it's many ways to tell a story. Thank you for responding to my post.

There is no gay sex in the Sodom story.

We have the same basic story in Jdg 20.

They want him using the same word - yada - and obviously not meaning gay sex - as he tells us what it means in 20:5!

HE SAYS -

Jdg 20:3 (Now the children of Benjamin heard that the children of Israel were gone up to Mizpeh.) Then said the children of Israel, Tell us, how was this wickedness?

Jdg 20:4 And the Levite, the husband (master/owner) of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge.

Jdg 20:5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead.

Slay him, - not have Gay sex with him.

These two texts have NOTHING to do with homosexuality!


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[Muffled]

So a heterosexual couple that gets married, but has no intentions of having children, to you, has no reason to be married, and should only be friends? That's kind of silly and childish.

I believe I would like to be considered silly but I am unable to attribute it to myself since I tend to be serious. I have long ago put away childishness so that seems to be an unreasonable assessment.

I believe there are many things that happen that don't fit into a neat package. I recognize that God has given people of the opposite sex a desire for sex so that procreation will occur and that marriage is a legitimization of having sex and a way to form a more firm covenant between two people. I believe that is not a sin. The couple is doing what it takes to have children even if they aren't having any.

 

[Muffled]

Not anymore. They're screwing. period.

I believe I realized that afterwrds that couples can now get children from petrie dishes. However the facts of life are still the same. Do you believe the facts of life are not real?

 

[Muffled]

Lol who said anything about anal sex? You seem obsessed with it.

I am a lesbian, I no like it up da butt

It would be a sin of heterosexual couples did it. I try not to be anal. I once commented that a good s h i t was almost as good a feeling as sex. That elicited a lot of guffaws because I tend to be somewhat naive in what I say and people know how straight I am.

I believe as a lesbian that means you are a woman. I believe the relation ship with another woman is an unnatural one and therefore a sin.

 

[Draka]

I believe I would like to be considered silly but I am unable to attribute it to myself since I tend to be serious. I have long ago put away childishness so that seems to be an unreasonable assessment.

I believe there are many things that happen that don't fit into a neat package. I recognize that God has given people of the opposite sex a desire for sex so that procreation will occur and that marriage is a legitimization of having sex and a way to form a more firm covenant between two people. I believe that is not a sin. The couple is doing what it takes to have children even if they aren't having any.

And what of infertile people, heterosexuals, that get married? They cannot do what it takes to have children. If you honestly believe in your god then you must believe that those whom become infertile, whether through medical conditions or illness, or perhaps are born with something wrong enough that they could never have children, are designed so to never have children. To never "propogate". So, would you also say, since your god must have purposely made it so that these heterosexual people cannot ever have children, that he did not wish for them to get married either? If marriage boils down to nothing more than "knock up the woman and shoot out a kid or a few", then that is a very sad definition of a marriage. i always thought marriage was a commitment to each other. You know, what are those funny things that people say when they get married? Oh, that's right, vows. And I have never heard any vows that make any promises about bearing children. Only things like love, honor, cherish and so on. At least, all the weddings I have either attended or presided over have gone that way. And isn't that what a marriage is supposed to really be about? The commitment? The promise to spend lives together, to hold one-another up, through good and bad, on two paths made into one? At least, that's how I have written marriage/wedding ceremonies and how I have heard others do them.

 

[AlphaAlex115]

Has thou not read thine own thread?

i have i red it all the atime

 

[dgirl1986]

It would be a sin of heterosexual couples did it. I try not to be anal. I once commented that a good s h i t was almost as good a feeling as sex. That elicited a lot of guffaws because I tend to be somewhat naive in what I say and people know how straight I am.

I believe as a lesbian that means you are a woman. I believe the relation ship with another woman is an unnatural one and therefore a sin.

Some straight couples do engage in it though and I do not see people rallying to stop straight people from engaging in anal sex.

I personally do not have a problem with people thinking it is wrong or that it goes against their religion, my issue is when they try to force that on society and on people like myself. I am only answerable to your religion if I belong to it.

 

[Ingledsva]

I believe I would like to be considered silly but I am unable to attribute it to myself since I tend to be serious. I have long ago put away childishness so that seems to be an unreasonable assessment.

I believe there are many things that happen that don't fit into a neat package. I recognize that God has given people of the opposite sex a desire for sex so that procreation will occur and that marriage is a legitimization of having sex and a way to form a more firm covenant between two people. I believe that is not a sin. The couple is doing what it takes to have children even if they aren't having any.

If God gives desire for sex, then God also gave said desire, to Gay people.

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[Muffled]

Some straight couples do engage in it though and I do not see people rallying to stop straight people from engaging in anal sex.

I personally do not have a problem with people thinking it is wrong or that it goes against their religion, my issue is when they try to force that on society and on people like myself. I am only answerable to your religion if I belong to it.

I don't believe I have ever witnessed a rally to stop immoral sex although I suppose there might have been one in opposition to a porn store.

I believe society tries to make rules about morality such as laws against murder and rape and that it is a legitimate duty of citizens to do so. My personal opinion is that there has to be a cogent reason for a law. For instance I don't think laws should be made that black people can't sit at lunch counters because there is no cogent reason for it even if white people saw it as a transgression. I don't like to see same sex couples hold hands in public but I don't think a law should be written to prohibit it.

I believe everyone will have to answer to God whether you believe or not.

 

[Muffled]

If God gives desire for sex, then God also gave said desire, to Gay people.

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I believe this falls into the same category of the fact that Cannabis grows, means that God meant for it to be smoked. The fact is that there are many things people can do but God views many things as sin and homosexuality is one of them. BTW I don't buy the born gay concept although I can see where tendencies might arise if people wish to ignore the injunctions against sin or are simply ignorant of those injunctions. I have sexual desire but that does not mean I should rape women to fulfill it. There are injunctions against that sin also.

 

[viole]

I believe this falls into the same category of the fact that Cannabis grows, means that God meant for it to be smoked. The fact is that there are many things people can do but God views many things as sin and homosexuality is one of them. BTW I don't buy the born gay concept although I can see where tendencies might arise if people wish to ignore the injunctions against sin or are simply ignorant of those injunctions. I have sexual desire but that does not mean I should rape women to fulfill it. There are injunctions against that sin also.

Do you think homosexuality is a choice?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

Do you think homosexuality is a choice?

Ciao

- viole

I believe the body can't act without mental assent.

 

[viole]

I believe the body can't act without mental assent.

Do you think your mind can possibly give mental assent to mess around with someone of the same sex?

More specifically: do you restrain yourself because it is a sin?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Draka]

I believe the body can't act without mental assent.

Funny, I believe many men and teen boys would agree that erections/arousal seem to happen without their intending it to. One does not merely choose what arouses them. If one is physically attracted to the male form then is it not possible for physical arousal to happen even without "mental assent" when one is looking upon or in the company of a male that is found attractive? Now, whether the person that finds the male attractive is female or male themselves, does it really matter? The point would be, that homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is not a choice as orientation is about attraction, not just about having sex. So the question was put to you whether or not you think homosexuality is a choice, by answering the way you did you are not really answering the question, either that, or you believe that arousal is a choice and I have not yet found anyone that merely chooses when and how they are aroused.

 

[Yeshe Dondrub]

All have both male and female aspects and "energy".

Your bond and attraction is unimportant. The aspect believed to lead to suffering regardless, is clinging to, depending on, and the impermanent aspects.

You can have the experience, a partner, but do not cling to it. Two people can enjoy the experience of life together, but be complete in themselves, without the need to be completed by another.

All things are impermanent. Including your life partner, or sexual partner. You still want to be wise as well.

By not clinging, we understand the impermanence. We understand true compassion for all. That even in loss, breakup, or death, the compassion should not change.

BE nurturing without clinging. Be understanding and share. Have true compassion for each other, and expand that compassion to all sentient life.

If you are uncertain, do the Green Tara meditation and be a-breast (joke) of the situation.

It is only sin if your mind allows itself to perceive it as such. Otherwise no it is not one.

 

[Ingledsva]

(1) I believe this falls into the same category of the fact that Cannabis grows, means that God meant for it to be smoked. (2) The fact is that there are many things people can do but God views many things as sin and homosexuality is one of them. (3) BTW I don't buy the born gay concept although I can see where tendencies might arise if people wish to ignore the injunctions against sin or are simply ignorant of those injunctions. (4) I have sexual desire but that does not mean I should rape women to fulfill it. There are injunctions against that sin also.

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1. People including the - HEBREW - used Cannabis in their religious ceremonies.

2. I have shown over and over that there are no actual Bible verses against homosexuality. There are however, many against SACRED SEX which is punishable by death because it is IDOLATRY!

3. ALL legit studies are pointing to being BORN homosexual. Even centers in their brains ONLY respond to same-sex pheromones.

4. And here we have the usual equating of an act of LOVE, with totally unrelated acts of CRIME!

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[ChristineES]

Do you think homosexuality is a choice?

Ciao

- viole

Homosexuality is not a choice. Having sex, however, is a choice, unless a person is raped or assaulted or molested (child sex).

 

[Nada]

Homosexuality is not a choice. Having sex, however, is a choice, unless a person is raped or assaulted or molested (child sex).

It is a perversion of the mind.