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In God We Trust?

wmam

Active Member
Mike182 said:
im not convinced that the way to measure the "greatness" of a country is to count how many christians there are in it - but i think this is a topic best left for another debate
LOLOLOL.......... Oh so with the plethora of other comments here you decided to pick out mine and have a problem with it. O.K. ........... OP has to do with "In God We Trust" right? The one that started this thread made a statement of how well we as a nation have done because of "In God We Trust". I was only giving food for thought as that we are not the only nation in the world that has seen prosperous times. I brought up China and asked as I wondered what their majority religion was to make a point. China has and is kicking our backside right now in world trade and are enjoying allot of prosperity. If the original poster cannot direct the direction of their own thread that they themselves started and it falls with-in the realm of thought as to the original OP then what use is it to even have a forum as this? What a joke.
 

mormonman

Ammon is awesome
retrorich said:
And apparently you don't believe in spell check. :biglaugh:
Acually I don't beleive in spel chek. Especially at 7:00 in the morning, when I'm running late to school. I'm glad to see that's all you could come back w/.
 

mormonman

Ammon is awesome
Darkdale said:
This has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. It has to do with bigotry - and it is a shame that equal rights seems to be a radical idea to Christians.
Well, when most conservatives and it seems like all liberals are split on the issue, then it seems like it's a right-left issue. And thanks for calling me, and most Christians bigots. Why would I want gay people being married in my church or other Christian churches when God tells us it's a terrible sin. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of these sins.
 

Smoke

Done here.
mormonman said:
Well, when most conservatives and it seems like all liberals are split on the issue, then it seems like it's a right-left issue.
It's an issue of civil liberties. Right-left has to do with economic issues.

mormonman said:
And thanks for calling me, and most Christians bigots. Why would I want gay people being married in my church or other Christian churches when God tells us it's a terrible sin.
I can't imagine having the slightest interest in getting married in your church. That's not what this is about.

mormonman said:
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of these sins.
Why don't you pick up your Bible and see what it actually says, instead of what people have told you it says?
 
Well, do we trust in God or not? If you could steal something, and know that nobody would ever find out, would you. I think I could answer that for the "majority" of people. The answer would be no. Simply because our conscience wouldn't let us. But what is your conscience. Well, the word breaks into con, meaning against, and science. Therefore, an unprovable fact. A fact because we all know we have one. But can take is out in a lab and test it. Therefore, I say it's God.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
mormonman said:
Well, when most conservatives and it seems like all liberals are split on the issue, then it seems like it's a right-left issue. And thanks for calling me, and most Christians bigots. Why would I want gay people being married in my church or other Christian churches when God tells us it's a terrible sin. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of these sins.

You are not a bigot for thinking that their behavior is wrong or evil, but you are a bigot for denying them equal rights under the law. I honestly hate socialism and I hate many of the people that try to push it on the American public, however, I would not deny them equal rights under the law. I do not punish others for my opinions. I debate them and fight them in the free market of ideas. Remember, these people are not hurting you or others. Homosexual marriage would be a FREE arrangement. It is bigotry that seeks to deny them that liberty.
 

wmam

Active Member
Darkdale said:
You are not a bigot for thinking that their behavior is wrong or evil, but you are a bigot for denying them equal rights under the law.
How exactly do you, or others, know that any given person is denying anyone anything? Most here that have expressed exactly what you have stated as far as thinking that behavior and or actions are wrong by some are labeled as bigots and judgmental and are attacked for denying certain rights.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
steve at JRM said:
Well, do we trust in God or not? If you could steal something, and know that nobody would ever find out, would you. I think I could answer that for the "majority" of people. The answer would be no. Simply because our conscience wouldn't let us. But what is your conscience. Well, the word breaks into con, meaning against, and science. Therefore, an unprovable fact. A fact because we all know we have one. But can take is out in a lab and test it. Therefore, I say it's God.
Wrong here. Conscience breaks down into con- meaning "together" and scire, meaning "knowledge."

We can use Webster to start ths breakdown of the word conscience. It breaks down to "com (or con)" and "scire". "Com (or con)" means "together with" and not against. "Scire" means knowledge. It does not mean an unprovable fact, but it means knowing yourself.

from Webster
Main Entry: con·science
Pronunciation: 'kän(t)-sh&n(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin conscientia, from conscient-, consciens, present participle of conscire to be conscious, be conscious of guilt, from com- + scire to know -- more at SCIENCE
1 a : the sense or consciousness of the moral goodness or blameworthiness of one's own conduct, intentions, or character together with a feeling of obligation to do right or be good b : a faculty, power, or principle enjoining good acts c : the part of the superego in psychoanalysis that transmits commands and admonitions to the ego
2 archaic : CONSCIOUSNESS
3 : conformity to the dictates of conscience : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : sensitive regard for fairness or justice : SCRUPLE
- con·science·less /-l&s/ adjective
- in all conscience or in conscience : in all fairness

from Oxford Dictionary

[a. F. conscience (cunscience) 12th c. (= Pr. consciencia, cossiencia, Sp. conciencia, It. coscienza), ad. L. conscientia privity of knowledge (with another), knowledge within oneself, consciousness, conscience, f. conscient- pr. pple. of consc
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to know along with another, to be privy with another to a matter, thence, consc
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to know with oneself only, to know within one's own mind.
 

mormonman

Ammon is awesome
Darkdale said:
You are not a bigot for thinking that their behavior is wrong or evil, but you are a bigot for denying them equal rights under the law. I honestly hate socialism and I hate many of the people that try to push it on the American public, however, I would not deny them equal rights under the law. I do not punish others for my opinions. I debate them and fight them in the free market of ideas. Remember, these people are not hurting you or others. Homosexual marriage would be a FREE arrangement. It is bigotry that seeks to deny them that liberty.
If I am a bigot, sir, than so are you. The definition of "bigot" is:
A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of
religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or
opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable
or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is
intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in
politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to
his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
You believe, in this matter, you are unquestionably right. My opinion, to you, seems unreasonable and probably wicked. You are not tolerant of my opinion, as stated. You are so blindly devoted to this idea that you will not listen to any apposing point. So don't call me a bigot w/o calling yourself one to.
 

wmam

Active Member
So what is so bad in being a bigot? I mean really? By mans definition, the Creator is one. I thought we were to strive to be more like Him? So we're bigot's. Big deal. :rolleyes:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Bigotry

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For various famous people called Bigot and other meanings, see Bigot (disambiguation). A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions differing from his own. The origin of the word in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of religious hypocrite, especially a woman. Today, it is considered a synonym of closed-minded.

Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to his or her prejudices even when these prejudices are challenged or proven to be false, often advocating and defending these prejudices in a rude and intolerant manner. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or worldview such as racism, religion, Materialism, nationalism, Rationalism, or homophobia.

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Quotes

"It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong." --G.K. Chesterton

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See also

 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
If the original poster cannot direct the direction of their own thread that they themselves started and it falls with-in the realm of thought as to the original OP then what use is it to even have a forum as this? What a joke.
i appologise, i see that your post was not off topic


wmam said:
LOLOLOL.......... Oh so with the plethora of other comments here you decided to pick out mine and have a problem with it. O.K. ........... OP has to do with "In God We Trust" right? The one that started this thread made a statement of how well we as a nation have done because of "In God We Trust". I was only giving food for thought as that we are not the only nation in the world that has seen prosperous times. I brought up China and asked as I wondered what their majority religion was to make a point. China has and is kicking our backside right now in world trade and are enjoying allot of prosperity.
while this may be true, it is not because they have a high christian population :areyoucra
 

wmam

Active Member
Mike182 said:
i appologise, i see that your post was not off topic


while this may be true, it is not because they have a high christian population :areyoucra
Mike,
I accept your apology. Further, this was the bases of what I was saying. It's not just because one believed in a certain god or had a title as christian, muslim or people that worship cute little pink bunnies that gave them any time of prosperity as a nation. There has only been one that I believe was favored and protected as long as they obeyed. Israel.
 
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