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That is why death, not a made-up concoction of various religions or gods, is true about what happens after death, is the penalty for sin. In other words, the penalty for sin is death. Not eternal torture or a short time of torture is true.
Elimination.
So death, a thing all people can observe in all life, is a penalty? Seems like the natural course that life takes to me. Anyone can say anything if what they argue can't be tested in a meaningful way, seems to me
Death in humans is the natural consequence of Adam's having passed his altered biology to his offspring. Only Jesus Christ can remove the penalty, which is imposed but will not always be imposed by God since he showed us by means of the resurrection, and especially the resurrections by means of Jesus Christ. Hellfire or torture after death is not always readily understood but a good, deep study of the scriptures shows that (1) hell is the grave, (2) there is no knowledge after death, and (3) God promises a resurrection.
Why should we believe that humans aren't meant to die if every other living thing can die and it's hard coded into our DNA? Seems natural to me
The Bible makes sense to me. I don't understand everything, therefore I leave many things in the hands of God,. And it also seems clear to me that God told only Adam (the human creation, He did not tell gorillas) that IF he ate from the tree of life he would die. Death is therefore to be understood that it is written in the DNA sequence of humans now as well as gorillas, birds, and other living creatures. It didn't have to be, and it will not always be that way, but will be changed biologically by God's hand to the opportunity to live forever without sickness or death. (Revelation 21:1-5, you might want to read it someday.)
I mean, that's all one big claim about objective reality that can't be tested against objective reality. Who says it wasn't always supposed to be this way? What do we have outside of the bible to test this against?
Until I understood better what the Bible says I was always in morbid fear of death. By that I mean I wondered, why do we have to die? Now I don't want to die but I understand better why we are generally headed towards death. There are many policies a person can buy that give money to someone when he dies. Gorillas and chimpanzees do not carry such policies. That is because the explanation of why we die was given only to humans and that really is in the Bible.
Let me ask you a question. What do you think hell is? I mean, what do you think happens in hell?
Not sure why you mention gorillas and chimpanzees. I'm generally talking about life and death. All life dies eventually. Even an incredibly ancient life like Pando that's literally thousands and thousands of years old is just one bad season away from dying out. If death isn't the way things are meant to be, why is it an aspect that ALL living things have to deal with - not just man?
I mention gorillas and chimpanzees, apparently you didn't get the point about death. They don't have life insurance policies. The fact you don't see what that means, hey, that's ok at this point insofar as I'm concerned.
With regard to -- evolution -- and the big difference between humans and gorillas and expectation. (Have a good one.)
It’s the hell as described in the Bible, which needs interpreting. I think I’ve interpreted it but will keep that to myself. There are plenty of clues to help interpret. In short all go on existing but in what form and how much you experience through the minds eye is up to God. You don’t always need a body or brain when your soul/spirit is released.
Comes equally to the sinners and the pious. It is in our DNA curtsy evolution.
What does Bible say about sins of gorillas, birds, and other creatures. Why do they die?
Zero.
It's programmed.
