If Obamacare is so great why......

[Dirty Penguin]

God forbid we require the people in charge of life or death situations be properly educated ....

I agree...:yes:

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Medical services are expensive because doctors understand the concept of business. You need a service, and they're qualified to give you that service. They understand that their talents are worth whatever the doctors say they are. Either meet their demands, or handle it yourself. If other workers took a page from their book, we wouldn't have so many complaints about earning a living wage.

Wow.....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Health care is expensive. No way it should be automatic. Many people live their whole life without health care. Going to the doctor all the time is bull crap.

Taking all the med's they want to put you on is crazy too.

Man up, work 12 hours a day and die young and not be a burden on society. Pay your own way in life and quit expecing others to foot the bill.

8 hours a day is like a part time job to me.

So you see some unappreciative pinhead worth dying for? The Japanese actually have been dropping over dead literally from overwork, and some companies have responded my maxing worker hours to less hours than what alot of Americans work.

 

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick View Post
Health care is expensive. No way it should be automatic. Many people live their whole life without health care. Going to the doctor all the time is bull crap.

Taking all the med's they want to put you on is crazy too.

Man up, work 12 hours a day and die young and not be a burden on society. Pay your own way in life and quit expecing others to foot the bill.

8 hours a day is like a part time job to me.

There is a difference in expecting someone else to "foot your bill" and having to die because you aren't wealthy ENOUGH to afford medical care./Or your child does because even IF you work 12 hours a day you can not afford reasonable care..

Taking all the meds they want you to take is crazy too??? I thought THEY were the doctors??Now your expecting laymen's to second guess the doctors????TRUST me I'm one to say DON"T 100% trust a Dr...but I have enough time and maybe I'm a bit of a "non trusting soul" to realize that..Why would the average sick person who spends a 3 months wages to go to the doctor NOT take the meds the doctor doles out???

 

[DallasApple]

Health care is expensive. No way it should be automatic. Many people live their whole life without health care. Going to the doctor all the time is bull crap.

Who said GOING to the doctor ALL the time? What is ALL the time Rev??

What you are suggesting would actually lower our average life expectancy..(that would include INFANT mortality not just YOU dying in the next year or too since you are OLD already)...

So please clarify what do you mean "all the time" and should only the wealthy have affordable access to doctors and WHEN and how should it be proposed that laymen's not take med's their doctors prescribe????

 

[DallasApple]

I guess my grandson should have DIED instead of being treated (and hospitalized) for an acute asthma attack when he was 3 .Because I guess it wasn't his RIGHT that he received medical care that saved him .Because his mother ONLY worked 60 hours a week and his daddy ONLY worked 30 while I kept him for his daddy to work those hours..The rest he kept the child..

That's sick Rev..

Maybe the SCAM isn't low life lazy people but insurance companies getting rich FILTHY effing rich off of the payers who work to pay their premiums...

What I would like to see? If tomorrow NO INSURANCE company got a dime.I can barely even calculate how much insurance companies have PROFITED off of me..And then someone like you spouts about working 12 hours a day and health not being an "automatic"...Did you hear me Rick??Just in premiums over the past meh..20 years?We have filled the FAT pockets of insurance companies by about ...150,000/.That's AFTER they paid anything out..

Everyone should STOP paying insurance companies if you ask me..Just go with the Obama care thing..what is it?10% of your income..then what ??coughing sick dying people stumbling in the streets???Women dying at home giving birth?Uh oh..NO MORE WORK FORCE...the higher ups will fix that lickety split!

 

[DallasApple]

[QUOTEHealth care is expensive. No way it should be automatic. Many people live their whole life without health care. Going to the doctor all the time is bull crap.][/QUOTE]

Man up, work 12 hours a day and die young and not be a burden on society. Pay your own way in life and quit expecing others to foot the bill.

Who is going to be there to work for the rich people?Especially if less people (fact) are even having kids cuz its too expensive.

Is that why conservatives are die hard against abortion?

 

[DallasApple]

[QUOTEWhat about other countries with universal healthcare that require doctors to attend expensive universities and internships but have cheaper medical care? Are they using magic or some kind of sorcery, or what? How do they have a cheaper, more successful healthcare system compared to the US?][/QUOTE]

No,..its not "magic" or "sorcery" ..its the "The devil"! The very devil himself ..LUCIFER//The fallen angel!The enemy of God our creator ..

Socialized healthcare IS the DEVIL!Working 70 hours a week and dying because you cant afford a doctor is NOT the devil..That's "too bad":...YOU should have worked 100 hours a week..

Get it??????????????

 

[DallasApple]

Also again ..whats gonna happen when all (or a lot) of the poor people start dying off sooner?Oh and ESPECIALLY (for moral reasons) you will forbid women from having abortions and make BC harder to get????So you got that part covered..SORRY forgot..There will be PLENTY for you !

Is it not obvious???????????????

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Who said GOING to the doctor ALL the time? What is ALL the time Rev??

What you are suggesting would actually lower our average life expectancy..(that would include INFANT mortality not just YOU dying in the next year or too since you are OLD already)...

So please clarify what do you mean "all the time" and should only the wealthy have affordable access to doctors and WHEN and how should it be proposed that laymen's not take med's their doctors prescribe????

I'm sure there is some group out there advocating it. I use to think the $20 dollar an hour minimum was an absurd claim, and I was certain that no was actually demanding it, and I wondered where it came from here on RF because it was only the right-wing and Libertarian members mentioning it; then I learned of a low-wage worker union/advocacy group (that I can't for the life of me remember what they're called) that actually does demand ridiculously high wages for low wage jobs. One of their higher ups even said something about making fast-food wages middle-class wages (I get their concern, but if things ever get better no high schooler or even college student should be propped up that easily). It would not surprise me if by "all the time" that someone out there wants people to be able to literally go to the doctor all the time for any and all aches and pains.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I guess some folks think living long enough to live in a nursing home is desirable. You have no rights, you cannot leave, they serve you crap food and let you lay in your own poop.

Everyone is broke, but we fund the rebuilding of old folks. New eyes, knees, hips and they spend their days going to one doctor's office after another.

It is almost like having a full time job for them.

Folks, we are all going to die. Sticking around being a burden on society is selfish just delaying the inevitable.

Young folks don't listen to medical advice, they are told to lose weight or quit smoking but they don't.

I see young students that are too fat to use the stairs at universities. They are not even 30 years old and look disabled to me.

Many young folks have old folks conditions already. High blood pressure, diabetes, gout........

 

[Brickjectivity]

I dunno about that. If the barriers to entry for docs were eased, it might cut the cost & provide more face time with docs. Quality can still be maintained, because brain power standards are not the only culling method for med students. The cost & hazing rituals also dissuade many qualified potential docs.

Yes. As it is we have economically outlawed medicine for the middle and lower classes by requiring each doctor to know all about every aspect of medicine. 'Medicine' is a huge all encompassing field. Instead we could have, for instance, specialists in particular types of treatment and diagnosis who are not 'Doctors', allowing for more competitive wages. As it is we have made medical practice illegal unless it is expensive.

We are off topic anyway. May as well shoot the moon.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess some folks think living long enough to live in a nursing home is desirable. You have no rights, you cannot leave, they serve you crap food and let you lay in your own poop.

I hope a little advertising is OK here.....the Shovel Club is a cooperative which has
no fees. You just have to agree to do the deed when a fellow member is in need.
What could be more affordable, eh?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Sounds great, Rev., but who will make sure that everyone follows the rules and keeps their 'End' of the deal?

 

[Revoltingest]

Sounds great, Rev., but who will make sure that everyone follows the rules and keeps their 'End' of the deal?

Personal honor & integrity, of course!

Here is my tool of choice....heavy blade for strong impact, fiberglass handle for toughness, yellow color for style....

Note: the saw teeth are strictly for digging thru roots, & serve no purpose for dispatching the club member.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Here is the founder of the shovel club:
Johann George Chevalier de Saxe

 

[Revoltingest]

There was another shovel club?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

There was a club dedicated to shovels???

 

[Daemon Sophic]

The U.S. branch even had a heroic (yet mysterious) founder....

The Shoveller​

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Why does the turn that this thread has taken seem........appropriate? :sarcastic