atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
Newton's law of action & reaction
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If God is the most merciful & compassionate
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Newton's law of action & reaction
atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
Newton's law of action & reaction. Also Bhagavad Gita.
Anyway, this is a deviation from the topic...
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Piffle, Newton's laws apply only to objects in motion. You are talking about souls.
The fact that a notion is mentioned in some book is not evidence that the notion is factual. Do you have anything real?
How typical: a religious type is asked for evidence, then runs away.
Twig pentagram
High Priest
What type of father would burn thier kids as punishment?
jumpingjoy
Member
I stole candy from a convenience store once. My father took my palm and held it to a lighter for a bit. I cried and nursed my hand and I learned my lesson. I haven't stolen from a store ever again.
Where I come from your father would have been put in prison for such an evil act, far worse than you stealing from the sweet shop!
Where I come from your father would have been put in prison for such an evil act, far worse than you stealing from the sweet shop!
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
My mother would never throw me in fire to teach me a lesson, much less for an eternity of unrelenting, unimaginable pain and suffering within a never-ending fire because I made a mistake or thought something that was wrong.
To be fair, your mother cannot see all nor does she know all. Your mother is not the Creator of the universe with a vested interest in mankind and a long view of human affairs.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
An abusive father.
People from older cultures will do this without a second thought.
waitasec
Veteran Member
wow..now that was a whopper...:biglaugh:
wait, don't you have a relationship with god?
waitasec
Veteran Member
atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
piffle yourself sir...
Well, not so sure about that buddy... "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" - no mention of objects or souls there... I take it as across the board. Of course you are "free" to take it as you will.
hmmm. Obviously I accept Gita as authoritative. It is not "some book"... I've observed the world, it is Gita in action. If you read it you may benefit immensely, who knows? But you will only know when/if you do :yes: - I don't need to convince you to validate the truth for myself though
Not running away, just trying to get back to topic as this is a forum with a specific topic... To answer honestly, the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. Only if you develop a taste for spiritual life will you have evidence. The evidence is within. It cannot be produced on an internet forum. When one develops a higher taste he can't help but give up the lower thing.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
The question is, who will develop that higher taste and who won't?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
No, you are not. It is a statement about physics, and only physics. Not only that, but what you quoted is actually a layman's version of the technical rule: "Momentum is conserved." Applying it to any other situation is silly.
Ungweliante
Devotional ecstatic
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Yawn. The same old stuff. "You can't have evidence unless you already believe." How tiresome, and what a scam.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Thank you
As I see it, religion in its ideal form aims to unite humanity in truth.
You are welcome.
I'm not sure about ideal forms. I think it more likely that religion is just a relic of ancient errors in explaining the natural world, later developed as a tool for subjugating humanity under tyranny.
atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
If you're not interested in spiritual topics why not be somewhere else? :canoe:
There does first need to be shraddha, faith, but that is the same with anything. To begin anything in the world there needs to be some faith that it will work out. Like to begin playing guitar you need faith you'll be able to do it - and that goes for just about anything :yes:
Again, I don't need to convince you :sorry1: The "evidence" manifests in your heart when you deserve it - but first one needs to become a little humble. If you already think you know it all it is not possible to come to knowledge.:slap:
jtartar
Well-Known Member
atmarama,
The Bible tells us that the Name of God is being Blasphemed because of people who profess to believe and follow the Bible, but who DO NOT, Rom 2:23,24. One reason for this is thedoctrine of HELL FIRE. This doctrine is completely false!!!
God, who CANNOT LIE, Titus 1:2, Heb 6:18, says that He is merciful, Ps 86:15, and that He never would do anything wicked, Job 34:10,12. Could God punish a person for eternity, for anything that a person could do for a few years of life, in this system of things, and still call Himself a righteous Judge??? No one could call this righteous.
The fact is: God has never had recorded that He intends to punish people for eternity. The words torment, in Revelation, 14:10,11, 20:10, actually meant to be locked away from God, forever. We can se this by what the Bible says in other places about the final end of wicked ones. Consider John 3:16, which some have said is The Gospel in Miniature. Notice this scripture says that people who do not have faith will be DESTROYED. This means DEATH, not torment, actually what the Bible calls The Second Death, The Lake of Fire, Rev 20:14,15, 21:8. Even more to the point is 2Thess 1:6-9, which tells us the Judicial Judgement for people who do not know God and who do not obey Jesus is Everlasting Destruction. Not torment.
An important thing to understand is: a person who has died does not know anything, therefore cannot feel anything, because a dead person becomes soil of the earth, as men originally started, Gen 2:7, Ecc 3:18-20, 9:5,6,10, Ps 146:3,4.
As anyone who studies the Holy Scriptures knows, the punishment for sin is death, Rom 6:23. In this scripture it says the WAGES sin PAYS is death. Compare this thought to a person working for wages. When he is paid his wages, he is owed nothing else, and neither does he owe his employer anything, they are even. This same principle is applied to sins. When a person pays for his sins with the ULTIMATE PRICE, his life, he owes nothing else. This is stated exactly at Rom 6:7, which says that a person who has died is ACQUITTED FROM HIS SIN!!! Therefore if God punished the person who has died God would Himself be UNJUST.
The word HELL, is a corrupted translation of the Greek word HADES, which just means the common grave of mankind, with no implied punishment, only non existence, or annihilation. Compare Ps 16:10 with Acts 2:27,31, both mean just the grave. Notice that in these scriptures Jesus was in Hades. God would nEVER have allowed His son to be in a place of torment, even for a second!!!
Ungweliante
Devotional ecstatic
It's difficult to say what it was originally meant for. However, etymology can offer some clues about it. I made another thread about it in the science vs. religion -section, but regrettably I cannot link it because of the low post count. Essentially, science originally may well have meant "to divide, to separate", while religion may have meant "to reconnect, to reunite".
In many of the world's religions, there's deep philosophical analysis. Some examples:
- Buddhism: Nagarjuna "Fundamental Verses of the Middle Way (Mūlamadhyamaka-kārikā"
- Hinduism: Patanjali "Yoga Sutras"
- Christianity: St. Thomas Aquinas "Summa Theologica" and Johannes Scotus Eriugena "De Divisione Naturae (Periphyseon)"
- Sufism: Ibn 'Arabi "Bezels of Wisdom"
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sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Could you offer a Biblical agument that the God of the Bible is "supremely merciful" and give us a definition of what you think this term means?