How the synagogue shooting reflects the growing hatred in America

[Revoltingest]

And let you shift goal posts again? Pass.

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Oooooo....I like things like that.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Or you could be a man and not backpedal when confronted with your own mistakes.

No back peddle, go back and quote exactly where I mentioned Islam. Stop being a coward. I have not edited nothing nor deleted anything this shouldn't be hard. You made an accusation now prove it.

 

[Flankerl]

And let you shift goal posts again? Pass.

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Me: The recent attacks were done by people who made it clear that they hate Trump for being to positive to Jews and Israel.
You: Oh, we're only talking about RECENT attacks? How convenient.
Me: You are free to cite anti-Semitic attacks where the attackers praised Trump.
You: And let you shift goal posts again? Pass.

Shift goal posts? You apparently know about some attacks where the attacker praised Trump but refuse to name them.
I don't really know why as it would strengthen your point.

I am not even in North America let alone the US kiddo.
You can be at ease, I don't like your country a bit.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Me: The recent attacks were done by people who made it clear that they hate Trump for being to positive to Jews and Israel.
You: Oh, we're only talking about RECENT attacks? How convenient.
Me: You are free to cite anti-Semitic attacks where the attackers praised Trump.
You: And let you shift goal posts again? Pass.

Shift goal posts? You apparently know about some attacks where the attacker praised Trump but refuse to name them.
I don't really know why as it would strengthen your point.

I am not even in North America let alone the US kiddo.
You can be at ease, I don't like your country a bit.

I'm not American either, but cool quote mine.

 

[Flankerl]

Quote mine? Do you even know what that is?
I simply copied the messages.

The recent attacks were done by people who made it clear that they hate Trump for being to positive to Jews and Israel.

How does that work in your brain?

Oh, we're only talking about RECENT attacks? How convenient.

You are free to cite anti-Semitic attacks where the attackers praised Trump.

And let you shift goal posts again? Pass.

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Me: The recent attacks were done by people who made it clear that they hate Trump for being to positive to Jews and Israel.
You: Oh, we're only talking about RECENT attacks? How convenient.
Me: You are free to cite anti-Semitic attacks where the attackers praised Trump.
You: And let you shift goal posts again? Pass.

Shift goal posts? You apparently know about some attacks where the attacker praised Trump but refuse to name them.
I don't really know why as it would strengthen your point.

I am not even in North America let alone the US kiddo.
You can be at ease, I don't like your country a bit.

Now please name these attacks where the attacker praised Trump.

 

[Enoch07]

No back peddle, go back and quote exactly where I mentioned Islam. Stop being a coward. I have not edited nothing nor deleted anything this shouldn't be hard. You made an accusation now prove it.

You did when you implied it with Ahmed. You can pretend all day that wasn't your intention. So if Ahmed wasn't implying Islam. The who does Ahmed represent?

 

[sooda]

This is where your narrative ran into the problem of reality. Trump, one of the most open supporters of Israel as POTUS, is the the propagator of antisemitism due to his... rhetoric and actions which supports Israel? What?!

So is Obama the cause of anti-Muslim acts since he was supportive of Muslims? Obama's fault right?

U.S. Finalizes Deal to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military …

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-military...

Sep 14, 2016 · Susan E. Rice, President Obama's national security adviser, said the 10-year, $38 billion military aid package to Israel was the single largest pledge of military assistance to any country in …

 

[sooda]

$40 billion aid to Israel is 'largest ever' to any country …

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/06/14/40-billion-aid-to-Israel-is-largest-ever-to...

Jun 14, 2016 · $40 billion aid to Israel is 'largest ever' to any country, says Susan Rice In a speech, Rice was critical of Israeli reluctance to endorse a two-state solution regarding Palestine.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

You just collapsed part of your own narrative

Plenty presidents in the past have done with previous other presidents didn't do, not a narrative I'm drawing its still facts, documented facts that Trump is a bigot.

Which is actual evidence. Now try it with Trump..... I will wait

I've already linked in the post. Trump has documented evidence that he has made bigoted claims. shall I remind you?

1) "Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

2) "Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government."

3) "In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time."

4) "He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such." (Of course he recanted his statement to admit Obama is a United States citizen but it still doesn't change the fact that the racism of birtherism was propagated by Trump).

5) "He has retweeted white nationalists without apology." The man actually retweets white nationalists on twitter, a group that hates anything that isn't white the source @WhiteGenocide is a neo-nazi and the president retweeted a meme from that source. This is unbecoming of a sitting president.

Source:Donald J. Trump on Twitter

6) "In a 1993 radio interview, he suggested that Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry. “I think I might have more Indian blood than a lot of the so-called Indians that are trying to open up the reservations.”

Source:Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List

Palestine is included due to your claim about Trump and reviewing his acts. FYI I am Canadian.

You provided zero proof regarding the point I brought up. You made an assertion, nothing more.

Zero facts? Again, I'm not going to derail my thread to discuss Palestine and Israel situation, the movement of the embassy to Jerusalem is implied in the controversy but alas, this has nothing to do with the Poway shooting.

Yes you said Trump followed rules then refuted your point above. Re-read your comments

What rules? Are you referring to the 1995 Jerusalem embassy act something you didn't even know Canadian?

Hearsay

How is it hearsay when Trump even said in relation to the book:

"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." He later called O'Donnell a "loser" in an interview with Playboy, but allowed that, "The stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

Source:What Donald Trump has said about Jews

If its hearsay why would Trump acknowledge that whatever was written about him in a book is probably true? Wouldn't you think something that is antisemitic such as associating Jews and money something that is rude and insensitive would be criticized by Trump considering all other criticisms about him he addresses like a baby?

More so if he were antisemitic he wouldn't renting to Jews. He would be discriminating against them... Do you even know some of the words you are tossing around even mean?

I keep forgetting Trump supporters on this forum are poor debaters and aren't very bright. Let me take it down a notch for you for comprehension purposes. Trump is a business man, and like any businessman and racist you pay attention to negative racial stereotypes. So, i see you made no criticism of Trump discriminating against blacks but then you go on to say "if he were antisemitic he wouldn't renting to Jews" which reeks of the narrative that all Jews have money and blacks don't. Therefore, in Trump's mind we lend opportunities to the "Shylocks" because they'll pay right?

According to an article written by The Hill according to proceedings in courts filed by the U.S. government regarding the allegation of housing discrimination:

"The court documents detail the experience of a husband and wife who rented properties, who said they had been told the Trump Management Co. “wanted to rent only to Jews and Executives’ and ‘discouraged rental to blacks,’” according to the Post." (Source:FBI releases documents related to Trump apartment discrimination case)

Renting property to people of religious affiliation and discriminating against others is bad practice and it does not indicate someone is antisemitic because they rent to them, its the very reason why laws exist to prevent these types of practices in the first place. Renting to someone who is Jewish has nothing to do with their ability to pay, it is going by the age old narrative that all Jews come from money which is inherently antisemitic.

This is hilarious coming from the guy that has yet to provide a single example of Trump being antisemitic.

Again Trump said:

“The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day,” he reportedly said. The black accountant, he said, was lazy, but it was “probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

Source:https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...gion-been-you-tell-us/?utm_term=.9bce02ee8009


The problem is I'm giving you facts its just that you wont even argue the factual sources I'm giving you, all you have to say against that is that it's "hearsay." That is not a rebuttal that is an opinion. The above quote is racist and it is documented in a book, a book that Trump himself said "whatever is in the book is probably true."


Like I said before, and I'll say it again you Trumpsters are horrible at debates. I'm good on responding to you further on this subject you're not even challenging enough to rebut my sources.

 

[Shad]

Plenty presidents in the past have done with previous other presidents didn't do, not a narrative I'm drawing its still facts, documented facts that Trump is a bigot.



I've already linked in the post. Trump has documented evidence that he has made bigoted claims. shall I remind you?

Yet not a single piece of evidence regarding antisemtism.

1) "Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

Not antisemtism

2) "Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government."

Trump's father's policy as per your own source which you didn't read.

3) "In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time."

So?

4) "He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such." (Of course he recanted his statement to admit Obama is a United States citizen but it still doesn't change the fact that the racism of birtherism was propagated by Trump).

Begging the question.

5) "He has retweeted white nationalists without apology." The man actually retweets white nationalists on twitter, a group that hates anything that isn't white the source @WhiteGenocide is a neo-nazi and the president retweeted a meme from that source. This is unbecoming of a sitting president.

Source:Donald J. Trump on Twitter

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

So Trump sees something on the internet that is fake but thinks it is true.... Covington kids rings a bell?

6) "In a 1993 radio interview, he suggested that Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry. “I think I might have more Indian blood than a lot of the so-called Indians that are trying to open up the reservations.”

Source:Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

So?

Zero facts? Again, I'm not going to derail my thread to discuss Palestine and Israel situation, the movement of the embassy to Jerusalem is implied in the controversy but alas, this has nothing to do with the Poway shooting.

You have presented zero evidence of Trump being antisemitic. Of course you are going to avoid Israel and Palestine. Both refute your claim.

What rules? Are you referring to the 1995 Jerusalem embassy act something you didn't even know Canadian?

I knew about the ACT for years. I talked about it when the embassy was moved. All you have done is create a fiction in your head

How is it hearsay when Trump even said in relation to the book:

"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." He later called O'Donnell a "loser" in an interview with Playboy, but allowed that, "The stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

Source:What Donald Trump has said about Jews

https://theweek.com/articles/835714/what-donald-trump-said-about-jews

As it is hearsay by definition.

hearsay

If its hearsay why would Trump acknowledge that whatever was written about him in a book is probably true? Wouldn't you think something that is antisemitic such as associating Jews and money something that is rude and insensitive would be criticized by Trump considering all other criticisms about him he addresses like a baby?

Antisemitism negative views and discrimination not positive stereotypes with the opposite of discrimination

I keep forgetting Trump supporters on this forum are poor debaters and aren't very bright.

Hilarious. You do not even know some of the terms you are using even mean..

Antisemitism - Wikipedia
Positive stereotype - Wikipedia
Stereotype - Wikipedia

Trump is a business man, and like any businessman and racist you pay attention to negative racial stereotypes.

Holding a stereotype does not make one a racist

So, i see you made no criticism of Trump discriminating against blacks but then you go on to say "if he were antisemitic he wouldn't renting to Jews" which reeks of the narrative that all Jews have money and blacks don't. Therefore, in Trump's mind we lend opportunities to the "Shylocks" because they'll pay right?

As my challenge was about antisemitic which you still failed to provide evidence for. Also I didn't comment as the policy is believed to be his father's according to your own source... which you didn't read

According to an article written by The Hill according to proceedings in courts filed by the U.S. government regarding the allegation of housing discrimination:

"The court documents detail the experience of a husband and wife who rented properties, who said they had been told the Trump Management Co. “wanted to rent only to Jews and Executives’ and ‘discouraged rental to blacks,’” according to the Post." (Source:FBI releases documents related to Trump apartment discrimination case) [/quote]

Hearsay and contracted by "In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father. Fred Trump appears to have been arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1927; Woody Guthrie, who lived in a Trump property in the 1950s, lambasted Fred Trump in recently discovered papers for stirring racial hatred."

Renting property to people of religious affiliation and discriminating against others is bad practice

Yes it is.

and it does not indicate someone is antisemitic because they rent to them,

Ergo you have no evidence for part of your claim

its the very reason why laws exist to prevent these types of practices in the first place.

No those law exist due to Dem overreaction to Jim Crow laws Dems ignored until 64

Renting to someone who is Jewish has nothing to do with their ability to pay, it is going by the age old narrative that all Jews come from money which is inherently antisemitic.

You have no idea what antisemitism is so conflate a positive stereotype with a negative one. Jews have money, nothing negative there. Versus.... Jewish bankers run nation X, Y, Z, negative stereotype. You're welcome for the education. Now try again.

Again Trump said:

“The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day,” he reportedly said. The black accountant, he said, was lazy, but it was “probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

Which isn't antisemitism and hearsay

The problem is I'm giving you facts

No. You treat hearsay as fact. You conflated positive stereotypes with antisemitism. You ignore your own sources only quoting the parts you want while ignore parts which undermine your point.

its just that you wont even argue the factual sources I'm giving you,

Present an actually factual source that isn't hearsay

all you have to say against that is that it's "hearsay."

Yes as by definition all your sources are just that

That is not a rebuttal that is an opinion.

No it is law specifically hearsay laws. Try again.

The above quote is racist and it is documented in a book, a book that Trump himself said "whatever is in the book is probably true."

You know what probably mean and what a generalized statement is?

Like I said before, and I'll say it again you Trumpsters are horrible at debates

Says the guy that failed twice to cite antisemtism and conflated positive stereotypes with antisemitism. Hilarious. All you are doing is deflecting as you have no argument nor evidence for part of your claim so you blame other people for your own inability to argue a point. Try again.

I'm good on responding to you further on this subject you're not even challenging enough to rebut my sources.

Running away now. Well at least you have time to look up what some of the terms you are trying to use actually mean. You're welcome for the education.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yet not a single piece of evidence regarding antisemtism.



Not antisemtism



Trump's father's policy as per your own source which you didn't read.



So?



Begging the question.


So Trump sees something on the internet that is fake but thinks it is true.... Covington kids rings a bell?


So?




You have presented zero evidence of Trump being antisemitic. Of course you are going to avoid Israel and Palestine. Both refute your claim.





I knew about the ACT for years. I talked about it when the embassy was moved. All you have done is create a fiction in your head




As it is hearsay by definition.

hearsay



Antisemitism negative views and discrimination not positive stereotypes with the opposite of discrimination



Hilarious. You do not even know some of the terms you are using even mean..

Antisemitism - Wikipedia
Positive stereotype - Wikipedia
Stereotype - Wikipedia



Holding a stereotype does not make one a racist



As my challenge was about antisemitic which you still failed to provide evidence for. Also I didn't comment as the policy is believed to be his father's according to your own source... which you didn't read

According to an article written by The Hill according to proceedings in courts filed by the U.S. government regarding the allegation of housing discrimination:

"The court documents detail the experience of a husband and wife who rented properties, who said they had been told the Trump Management Co. “wanted to rent only to Jews and Executives’ and ‘discouraged rental to blacks,’” according to the Post." (Source:FBI releases documents related to Trump apartment discrimination case)

Hearsay and contracted by "In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father. Fred Trump appears to have been arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1927; Woody Guthrie, who lived in a Trump property in the 1950s, lambasted Fred Trump in recently discovered papers for stirring racial hatred."



Yes it is.



Ergo you have no evidence for part of your claim




No those law exist due to Dem overreaction to Jim Crow laws Dems ignored until 64



You have no idea what antisemitism is so conflate a positive stereotype with a negative one. Jews have money, nothing negative there. Versus.... Jewish bankers run nation X, Y, Z, negative stereotype. You're welcome for the education. Now try again.




Which isn't antisemitism and hearsay



No. You treat hearsay as fact. You conflated positive stereotypes with antisemitism. You ignore your own sources only quoting the parts you want while ignore parts which undermine your point.



Present an actually factual source that isn't hearsay




Yes as by definition all your sources are just that



No it is law specifically hearsay laws. Try again.



You know what probably mean and what a generalized statement is?




Says the guy that failed twice to cite antisemtism and conflated positive stereotypes with antisemitism. Hilarious. All you are doing is deflecting as you have no argument nor evidence for part of your claim so you blame other people for your own inability to argue a point. Try again.



Running away now. Well at least you have time to look up what some of the terms you are trying to use actually mean. You're welcome for the education.[/QUOTE]

You're really a failure in debates.

 

[Shad]

You're really a failure in debates.

Says the one that can not demonstrate or provide evidence of antisemitism, read their own source nor knows what antisemitism actually is. Hilarious.

Fix your post. It is messed up

 

[Shad]

"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." He later called O'Donnell a "loser" in an interview with Playboy, but allowed that, "The stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

Take a few screenshots of the whole article using your playboy membership or give me access to your playboy account.

I bet you never read the source.

 

[oldbadger]

Left wingers continue to lie and suggest President Trump approves of white nationalism when he does not.

What does President Trump approve of?
Just askin'.....

 

[Revoltingest]

What does President Trump approve of?
Just askin'.....

Criminal justice reform.

Some growing hatred is in the news today.
It's a little hard to understand him though.
But this lawmaker believes that "retarded"
Trump JR should've been aborted as defective.

alabama democrate abort trump jr - YouTube

That guy reminds me of Boomhauer on King Of The Hill.

 

[Wandering Monk]

A little perspective is always appropriate:

History of antisemitism in the United States - Wikipedia