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How the synagogue shooting reflects the growing hatred in America

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I've recently come to the realization whether discussing it on an online forum or offline, trying to make an attempt at opening the eyes of those who follow this administration's political beliefs about what is important is a futile task. I want to say that the recent shootings here in Poway Synagogue in my home state is a tragedy. But I'm not surprised. We've had several incidents concerning individuals with white nationalist and racist beliefs commit crimes on a domestic terrorist level and when the president was asked whether white nationalism was a problem the president unsurprisingly scoffed at it. So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States? I'm curious to know how many more people have to die in order for us to discuss this growing hatred?

As it was told to me the one who avoids the discussion hates to having the mirror pointed towards them, but I wonder how much blood has to be shed in order for us to address the growing racist and antisemitism in this country which frankly I believe is propagated by the bigoted rhetoric of this administration?
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I've recently come to the realization whether discussing it on an online forum or offline, trying to make an attempt at opening the eyes of those who follow this administration's political beliefs about what is important is a futile task. I want to say that the recent shootings here in Poway Synagogue in my home state is a tragedy. But I'm not surprised. We've had several incidents concerning individuals with white nationalist and racist beliefs commit crimes on a domestic terrorist level and when the president was asked whether white nationalism was a problem the president unsurprisingly scoffed at it. So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States? I'm curious to know how many more people have to die in order for us to discuss this growing hatred?

As it was told to me the one who avoids the discussion hates to having the mirror pointed towards them, but I wonder how much blood has to be shed in order for us to address the growing racist and antisemitism in this country which frankly I believe is propagated by the bigoted rhetoric of this administration?
I'm not so sure there's necessarily a growing number of white supremacists. I just think people on the extreme right and extreme left are getting more violent. You have Antifa calling anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, torching cars, beating up military personnel, showing up to protests with iron bars to beat people, and according to the FBI, even plotting attacks against US border personnel.

We all know the sins of white supremacists. While there seems to be a greater number of cases involving white supremacists, I don't think this necessarily represents a rise of white supremacy; the white supremacists who already exist are just becoming more extreme and prone to actually acting on their beliefs. I think the escalation in the culture war is playing a huge factor in this.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think there's a concentrated effort by people on both sides to keep race and religious wars alive, revelant, and perpetual.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
False equivalence is alive in this thread.

2010 to 2016, right-wing inspired terrorist acts in the United States have grown from 6 percent of total domestic terror attacks to 35 percent. The Anti-Defamation League’s report, “A Dark and Constant Rage,” catalogued 150 right-wing attacks from 1993 to 2017, noting that “right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years.”4 The Center for Strategic and International Studies also reported that, between 2016 and 2017 alone, right-wing inspired violence had quadrupled in the United States.5

Confronting the Domestic Right-Wing Terrorist Threat - Center for American Progress
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
I think there's a concentrated effort by people on both sides to keep race and religious wars alive, revelant, and perpetual.

By both sides?
Please explain to me how Jews undergo an effort to keep racial and religious wars alive.

Please do so.
 

Duke_Leto

Active Member
By both sides?
Please explain to me how Jews undergo an effort to keep racial and religious wars alive.

Please do so.

“By talking about racism/anti-semitism, the “socialist Democrats”/Jews are the real racists.”

The “thought” is either along the lines of “if everyone just pretends racism doesn’t exist, it will go away” or “Racism has mostly died, but the left says everyone who disagrees with them is a racist.”
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
I've recently come to the realization whether discussing it on an online forum or offline, trying to make an attempt at opening the eyes of those who follow this administration's political beliefs about what is important is a futile task. I want to say that the recent shootings here in Poway Synagogue in my home state is a tragedy. But I'm not surprised. We've had several incidents concerning individuals with white nationalist and racist beliefs commit crimes on a domestic terrorist level and when the president was asked whether white nationalism was a problem the president unsurprisingly scoffed at it. So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States? I'm curious to know how many more people have to die in order for us to discuss this growing hatred?

As it was told to me the one who avoids the discussion hates to having the mirror pointed towards them, but I wonder how much blood has to be shed in order for us to address the growing racist and antisemitism in this country which frankly I believe is propagated by the bigoted rhetoric of this administration?

It was tragic but it appears crimes targeting Jewish people have been on the rise.
Hate crimes against Jews rise by 37%, FBI reports - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
False equivalence is alive in this thread.

2010 to 2016, right-wing inspired terrorist acts in the United States have grown from 6 percent of total domestic terror attacks to 35 percent. The Anti-Defamation League’s report, “A Dark and Constant Rage,” catalogued 150 right-wing attacks from 1993 to 2017, noting that “right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years.”4 The Center for Strategic and International Studies also reported that, between 2016 and 2017 alone, right-wing inspired violence had quadrupled in the United States.5

Confronting the Domestic Right-Wing Terrorist Threat - Center for American Progress
Oh my. Fact and statistics up against irrationality. Which shall win?
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States?

When white nationalist do something on the 9/11 scale of terror. Because until 9/11 nobody really talked about terrorism that much. We knew about it of course, like when they tried and failed to take down the world trade centers the first time with bombs in vans. For those not familiar. 1993 World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia

There was no rhetoric about radical Islam then yet either, even though it was a problem.

So yeah there is white nationalist, it is a problem, but it's a very small % of people, and a very small problem, so far.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I've recently come to the realization whether discussing it on an online forum or offline, trying to make an attempt at opening the eyes of those who follow this administration's political beliefs about what is important is a futile task. I want to say that the recent shootings here in Poway Synagogue in my home state is a tragedy. But I'm not surprised. We've had several incidents concerning individuals with white nationalist and racist beliefs commit crimes on a domestic terrorist level and when the president was asked whether white nationalism was a problem the president unsurprisingly scoffed at it. So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States? I'm curious to know how many more people have to die in order for us to discuss this growing hatred?

As it was told to me the one who avoids the discussion hates to having the mirror pointed towards them, but I wonder how much blood has to be shed in order for us to address the growing racist and antisemitism in this country which frankly I believe is propagated by the bigoted rhetoric of this administration?

So you blame Donald Trump for increased hate crimes committed by white people.

...So get rid of Trump and it should decrease?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
So yeah there is white nationalist, it is a problem, but it's a very small % of people, and a very small problem, so far.

It's nothing compared to the bloodshed we see in ghettos. In fact, it was only a few weeks ago Nipsey Hussle was shot dead... This happens like a hundred times everyday in Chicago.

Nobody talks about it much though.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Very good point.

I guess people prefer to complain about shootings only when racism is a factor. But the thousands of other deaths -we can't talk about that because it wasn't white racist people committing the crimes. Even if the ghetto numbers outweigh the white nationalist ones by 50 times.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I guess people prefer to complain about shootings only when racism is a factor. But the thousands of other deaths -we can't talk about that because it wasn't white racist people committing the crimes. Even if the ghetto numbers outweigh the white nationalist ones by 50 times.


And its white liberals doing the complaining about white nationalist, drowning out the black folk asking for help with black on black murder. It's all a effin sick joke man.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I've recently come to the realization whether discussing it on an online forum or offline, trying to make an attempt at opening the eyes of those who follow this administration's political beliefs about what is important is a futile task. I want to say that the recent shootings here in Poway Synagogue in my home state is a tragedy. But I'm not surprised. We've had several incidents concerning individuals with white nationalist and racist beliefs commit crimes on a domestic terrorist level and when the president was asked whether white nationalism was a problem the president unsurprisingly scoffed at it. So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States? I'm curious to know how many more people have to die in order for us to discuss this growing hatred?

As it was told to me the one who avoids the discussion hates to having the mirror pointed towards them, but I wonder how much blood has to be shed in order for us to address the growing racist and antisemitism in this country which frankly I believe is propagated by the bigoted rhetoric of this administration?
President Trump has consistently denounced and condemned white nationalist hate groups. This administration is not bigoted.

Left wingers continue to lie and suggest President Trump approves of white nationalism when he does not.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I've recently come to the realization whether discussing it on an online forum or offline, trying to make an attempt at opening the eyes of those who follow this administration's political beliefs about what is important is a futile task. I want to say that the recent shootings here in Poway Synagogue in my home state is a tragedy. But I'm not surprised. We've had several incidents concerning individuals with white nationalist and racist beliefs commit crimes on a domestic terrorist level and when the president was asked whether white nationalism was a problem the president unsurprisingly scoffed at it. So as a nation although we are ready to automatically condemn someone named "Ahmed" who decides to kill people as a terrorist, we are not going to label the growing hatred of white nationalism in the United States? I'm curious to know how many more people have to die in order for us to discuss this growing hatred?

As it was told to me the one who avoids the discussion hates to having the mirror pointed towards them, but I wonder how much blood has to be shed in order for us to address the growing racist and antisemitism in this country which frankly I believe is propagated by the bigoted rhetoric of this administration?

I think they've become more emboldened, and it could be due to the current administration. I think a root cause might also be due to a continued propagation of the politics of fear, in whatever form it may take. It could be fear of the evil empire, fear of socialism, fear of the Russians, fear of the Chinese, fear of North Korea, fear of Iran, fear of Venezuela, fear of Grenada, fear of Mexico, fear of massive worldwide conspiracies, and so on.

When you really take a long hard look at what the people have been fed for the past several decades, it's really large, heavy doses of fear. I'm not saying that most of it has been overtly racist or antisemitic, although I think the fear has gotten somewhat out of control and some people seem to be reverting back to earlier ideas which dominated the American political landscape not too long ago. I suppose it's more of a chicken-egg question as to whether Trump is the cause of the fear or the result of it.

It's kind of weird, when you think about it. There are some quarters in this country where people think Trump is Hitler, while there are others who think Trump is Jesus Christ. What could go wrong?

I guess the real question here is whether these are just random, isolated events by lone nuts acting on their own - or could there be more brazen, organized acts of violence? Of course, Hitler and his henchmen were able to use state-level authority to organize extremely brazen acts of violence, atrocity, and murder. In the US, there were a number of state governors and other officials who supported the KKK and were able to use state-level power towards the purpose of violence, atrocity, and murder perpetrated by that organization.

Is it conceivable that Trump could do something like that? I don't know. I'll admit it is somewhat disconcerting that, considering the recent examples of law enforcement overstepping their authority or even cases of outright brutality. Trump could be promoting the kind of culture which could lead to even more abuses of power.

At that point, I think the other shoe will drop, and there will be a backlash which will send ripples into the upcoming political campaigns. The only question left is how will the American voters respond and what direction will they take the country?

I don't know that we can ever end hatred in this country or in this world. It just seems a continuous fact of human existence, in one form or another. But there might be ways of structuring society so that whatever hatred does exist, its effect can be contained and the damage minimized. Even then, I don't think any solution will ever be perfect.
 
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