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How did your god/s create the earth?

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Frank Merton

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The Buddha dismissed such questions as idle speculation. We are like the prince struck by a poison arrow. The retainers gather around and talk about who would have done such a thing, what kind of poison it is, the prognosis of the injury, and so on.

Scientifically we have the curiosity to want to know such things, but first we need to solve our present crisis of being born (trapped) in a cycle of life that is mainly one of suffering. Otherwise I think religions should butt out of these issues and leave it to cosmologists and other specialists, and when they say they don't know, then that is tht until they do figure it out.
 
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Frank Merton

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q konn said:
Big bang theory is ''just magic'', too. You can't prove any of it, or even point to a proof.
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That is not so. The evidence pointing to the big bang is overwhelming. There is no "proof" of anything in science, but there is in this case so much evidence that anyone denying it just has to be nothing more than ignorant.

That, however, is not relevant, since we don't know that the big bang was really the beginning, or if in fact there was a beginning.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Frank Merton said:
That is not so. The evidence pointing to the big bang is overwhelming. There is no "proof" of anything in science, but there is in this case so much evidence that anyone denying it just has to be nothing more than ignorant.

That, however, is not relevant, since we don't know that the big bang was really the beginning, or if in fact there was a beginning.
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You managed to contradict yourself in just a few sentences.
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
InChrist said:
Actually, the Bible begins with, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
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Fine, but that's besides the point.

I don't see it as you do, but believe that since humanity knew of the Creator God since the beginning, it is the various religions and myths which have developed and deviated from the truth concerning God, creation, and a number of other realities.
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It's not my personal view, but the actual case. Christianity stole this idea from more ancient teachings, along with many other ideas. Christianity is the deviation and the concoction. Essentially, Paul took three elements: Jewish history as backdrop for the story to lend credibility to the myth; the notion of the Logos from Gnosticism descending from on High to teach man; and the idea of the dying and resurrecting god-man from the mystery religions of the time, brilliantly synthesized them and launched them to become what has become modern Christianity.


HINDU CREATION
(from the Satapatha Brahmana, first millenium B.C., Rig Veda)

Before there was anything there were the primeval waters. These seas were vast and deep and dark; all that was, was Non Being.

Over time, these waters produced a single golden egg, which floated over the waters for nine months.

After nine months, the egg burst open, and there was Prajapati standing in its shell. Prajapati was neither male nor female, but an all-powerful combination of both. He rested there on the golden shell for almost a year without speaking or moving.

After one year he broke his silence. The first word he spoke - the Word - became the earth.

The next Word he uttered became the sky, which he divided into seasons.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwjsxdbwloLMAhXozoMKHZcjDRQQFgg4MAU&url=http://www.mythicjourneys.org/bigmyth/download/HINDU_CREATION.doc&usg=AFQjCNFr06ND7rKycaidrtrB3GNC2DO5iQ&sig2=NRI0_T_L9XS0UX2YYNF85g&bvm=bv.119028448,d.amc
 
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Frank Merton

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If some deity created it all, then it was done by magic. Magic is hard to define, and in reality is just wishful thinking or trickery.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Frank Merton said:
...religions should... leave it to cosmologists and other specialists... until they do figure it out.
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The idea is that, at some point after a body of factual knowledge is accumulated, 'the answer' will reveal itself, the approach being to first dissect and then to reconstruct the Universe from its various 'parts', much like one would assemble a machine. But the Universe is not a machine nor an artifact, and the approach via Logic seems to be failing the physicists. We can use Reason to 'explain' the behavior of phenomena, and even predict future behavior, but we simply don't know what the Universe actually IS. How many theories does science currently propose? At least 10, and all are open-ended. Therefore, a different approach must be taken toward an understanding of what what we only think is a 'material' reality. Now, via Quantum Physics, we are finding such a 'material' Universe more evasive than ever, seemingly confirming what ancient mystics have suggested: that the material world is a Grand Illusion.
 
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Acim

Revelation all the time
Carlita said:
According to your mythology, story, philosophy, scripture, etc how was the earth created?
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The earth isn't creation, but miscreation according to my understandings (or theological perspective).

The more details the better.
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It is a projection of mind, designed to reinforce the illusion of separation of Self from God (Divinity). The bigger the universe, the greater the illusion of separation and how little I (or we) matter in the scheme of things.

The 'mind' I speak of, in reality is One Mind. Due to nature of (illusion of) separation, then all 'things' are perceived as separate from each other, and far more important, separate from one mind, one source. So, my theological understandings believe a demiurge 'created' this universe/world as a place where God cannot enter, nor be found. Which is not true, but is held as true for as long as the conviction in the illusion (of separation) is held as 'reality.'

I do believe Genesis 2 is referencing the demiurge, whereas Genesis 1, is not. I'm not 100% able to reconcile Genesis 1 with my theological understandings, but do see explicit difference between God in book 1 and book 2 (and thereafter).

For me, creation stories and origin beliefs are interesting, but not all that pertinent to what is, I feel a well known purpose or function for what I (and others) are meant to be doing today, read as modern times. Going backwards in time, as if time or the past are real, generally only leads to more questions. Those questions are all fine and good in being asked, but many of them actually pertain to what is plausibly occurring right now. Who created me, need not be something that has to be traced back (via illusion of time) to find the answer. What is my Nature, need not be traced back in time to understand that right now.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Carlita said:
Since everything is energy, I wonder why we selected people attached religious titles to simple concepts of creation and formation of the universe and earth.
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Jesus taught ' religious titles ' are: wrong - Matthew 23:8-10; Matthew 23:11-13
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Actually, the Bible begins with, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
I don't see it as you do, but believe that since humanity knew of the Creator God since the beginning, it is the various religions and myths which have developed and deviated from the truth concerning God, creation, and a number of other realities.
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In the beginning of creation ' invisible then visible ' God created. So, God was 'before' the beginning of His creative works - Psalms 90:2 - God Had No beginning.
 
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Unveiled Artist

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URAVIP2ME said:
Jesus taught ' religious titles ' are: wrong - Matthew 23:8-10; Matthew 23:11-13
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I just want to say something personal. I am not Christian (I know you know that already:) ) and I trust whatever a Christian says about his belief is true. I really have no means to question it unless its something blantant like Catholic misconceptions.

With that said, with me, you dont have to quote scripture verses. I trust whatever you say as a Christian is true for you as a Christian. I say that because in longer paragraphs and points I see people do this all the time; and, it bothers my eyes. I dont have a lap top or desk top, so I cant hover over the scriptures and read it. One sentence or two are fine. Whomever is reading this, unless its appropriate like scriptural debates or the subject is about scripture, I personally cant take the time to look up all the scriptrue unless you dont have commentary to it.

URAVIP2ME, I just wanted to put that in your ear for future conversations on other subjects.

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In your view, why are religious titles wrong according to Jesus?

(Keep in mind, when I read scripture Im not reading it from a Christian perspective; so, my interpretation would be grossly different than your own).

 
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Frank Merton

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URAVIP2ME said:
In the beginning of creation ' invisible then visible ' God created. So, God was 'before' the beginning of His creative works - Psalms 90:2 - God Had No beginning.
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OK, I will be reasonably polite, even though you are a typical rude Christian. You brought up the big bang. I don't know that that was the beginning or just a phase transition, but you assume too much and therefore tell me I contradict myself when it is you who read into what I said something I had not said.

If we presume God created it all, then what created God. If we say God always existed, then why can't we dispense with this complication and just say the universe always existed? There is no need to insert one's childhood indoctrination if one is thoughtful and open to ideas.

I see you don't present any evidence against the big bang, you just call it magic. I don't think you have the slightest notion of what the evidence might even be, but still you deride it.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Frank Merton said:
OK, I will be reasonably polite, even though you are a typical rude Christian. You brought up the big bang. I don't know that that was the beginning or just a phase transition, but you assume too much and therefore tell me I contradict myself when it is you who read into what I said something I had not said.
If we presume God created it all, then what created God. If we say God always existed, then why can't we dispense with this complication and just say the universe always existed? There is no need to insert one's childhood indoctrination if one is thoughtful and open to ideas.
I see you don't present any evidence against the big bang, you just call it magic. I don't think you have the slightest notion of what the evidence might even be, but still you deride it.
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No, I do Not and did Not call the Big Bang magic.
God provided His energy ( Power and strength ) to create the material realm of existence ( whether the actual beginning, or a phase transition leading to the beginning )
So, that means the universe did Not always exist.
God is Creator, so that means No one created the Creator otherwise He would Not be the Creator.

Why is study or research of the Bible be considered as childhood indoctrination ?
Since the Bible is Not written ABC as a dictionary is, then it needs to be researched and studied by topic or subject arrangement. How is that connected to the level of a child ?
How many children do you know who systematically research and study Scripture ?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Carlita said:
. I dont have a lap top or desk top, so I cant hover over the scriptures and read it. One sentence or two are fine.
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In your view, why are religious titles wrong according to Jesus?
(Keep in mind, when I read scripture I'm not reading it from a Christian perspective; so, my interpretation would be grossly different than your own).
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I am sorry Carlita, as I did Not intend for you to look up anything because on my screen the verses come up, and did Not recall or remember you couldn't readily do that.
So, please accept my apology, and please feel free to bring anything else to my attention.

Jesus pronounced many ' woes ' against those hate-filled Jewish clergy exposing them as unloving.
Jesus warned them about their haughty pride and their need to be humble.
The Pharisees sat themselves in 'Moses Seat', so to speak, meaning they put the Law into their own hands.
Since Jesus taught all are spiritual ' brothers ', so then religious titles would wrongly put those with titles as being above others.
 
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