godnotgod
Thou art That
Kindly direct me to the Disqualifier of the Disqualification. I'd like to have a word with him.
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How did your god/s create the earth?
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Kindly direct me to the Disqualifier of the Disqualification. I'd like to have a word with him.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Perhaps you might understand this:
Illusion is not a thing, like an apple is a thing. It is a state, a condition, the process of seeing things incorrectly, and thinking them to be the case. It cannot be compared to what is absolutely real because it does not exist. You cannot say: The Absolute is real, but so is illusion. The condition of duality that is an illusion only SEEMS real, just as the snake that is actually a rope SEEMS real. Once awakened consciousness comes into play, the illusion of duality becomes apparent.
godnotgod
Thou art That
OK, yes there is an illusion, but it is not the state of illusion that is relative to Reality; it is what the illusion is about, and what the illusion is about is not real, as in 'non-existent', and so cannot be compared in any dual sense to Reality.
There is the actual rope seen as the illusory 'snake'. We do not say that both are valid views, because 'snake' does not exist in the way that rope exists. There never was a snake at all. The problem when we extrapolate this level of consciousness to the next higher level is that, unlike that of 'snake', which vanishes upon recognition of the illusion, The Universe does not vanish when it's illusory nature is detected. It is illusion of a higher calibre. We think it 'exists' because we still detect its 'presence' via perceptual reality. It is only via Ultimate Reality that we see its illusory nature. Now, thanks to Quantum Physics, we are seeing that all of the mass of the 'material' atom is virtual in nature, rendering ALL material reality to be virtual. Of course, Hindus have told us for centuries that this world is the result of the play of maya.
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syo
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Gaia first, earth second.
syo
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Gaia is eternal. She has no beginning and no end.
earth is mortal. it was born some billion years ago and will be destroyed some trillion years after.
Compare eternity to a few trillion years. Tell me who is first and who is second.
Gaia is not some imaginary tale of humans.
syo
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God Almighty? Who's that?
syo
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO WAY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
godnotgod
Thou art That
Gaia (mythology)
Gaia
Primordial Deity of the Earth
In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeɪ.ə/ or /ˈɡaɪ.ə/ from Ancient Greek Γαῖα, a poetical form of Γῆ Gē, "land" or "earth" also spelled Gaea, was the personification of the Earth and one of the Greek primordial deities. Gaia was the great mother of all: the primal Greek Mother Goddess; creator and giver of birth to the Earth and all the Universe; the heavenly gods, the Titans, and the Giants were born to her. The gods reigning over their classical pantheon were born from her union with Uranus (the sky), while the sea-gods were born from her union with Pontus (the sea). Her equivalent in the Roman pantheon was Terra.
Etymology
The Greek word γαῖα (transliterated as gaia) is a collateral form of γῆ (gē, Doric γᾶ ga and probably δᾶ da) meaningEarth,[6] a word of uncertain origin.[7] R. S. P. Beekes has suggested a Pre-Greek origin. It, however, could be related to the Avestan word gaiia 'life;'
cf. Av. gaēθā '(material) world, totality of creatures' and gaēθiia 'belonging to/residing in the worldly/material sphere, material'; and probably even Av, gairi 'mountain'.[citation needed]
In Mycenean Greek Ma-ka (trans. as Ma-ga, "Mother Gaia") also contains the root ga-.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology)
However, Gaia, as well as all the other gods, (even Yaweh) are anthropomorphizations/projections of super-human forms/characteristcs. It is man who 'personified' them as such. Therefore, Earth first, Gaia second, even though it is conceived/imagined the other way around.
Then there is the Gaia hypothesis, which treats Earth as a single, integrated living system:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
godnotgod
Thou art That
Gaia (mythology)
Gaia
Primordial Deity of the Earth
In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeɪ.ə/ or /ˈɡaɪ.ə/ from Ancient Greek Γαῖα, a poetical form of Γῆ Gē, "land" or "earth" also spelled Gaea, was the personification of the Earth and one of the Greek primordial deities. Gaia was the great mother of all: the primal Greek Mother Goddess; creator and giver of birth to the Earth and all the Universe; the heavenly gods, the Titans, and the Giants were born to her. The gods reigning over their classical pantheon were born from her union with Uranus (the sky), while the sea-gods were born from her union with Pontus (the sea). Her equivalent in the Roman pantheon was Terra.
Etymology
The Greek word γαῖα (transliterated as gaia) is a collateral form of γῆ (gē, Doric γᾶ ga and probably δᾶ da) meaningEarth,[6] a word of uncertain origin.[7] R. S. P. Beekes has suggested a Pre-Greek origin. It, however, could be related to the Avestan word gaiia 'life;'
cf. Av. gaēθā '(material) world, totality of creatures' and gaēθiia 'belonging to/residing in the worldly/material sphere, material'; and probably even Av, gairi 'mountain'.[citation needed]
In Mycenean Greek Ma-ka (trans. as Ma-ga, "Mother Gaia") also contains the root ga-.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology)
However, Gaia, as well as all the other gods, (even Yaweh) are anthropomorphizations/projections of super-human forms/characteristcs. It is man who 'personified' them as such. Therefore, Earth first, Gaia second, even though it is imagined the other way around.
Yes, of course. I was about to mention the more modern interpretation.
The other Wikipedia definition (in my previous post) states that Gaia was the "creator and giver of birth to the Earth and all the Universe". That does not follow, since 'The Universe' is all that there is, and that would have contained all gods and goddesses. What seems to fit more appropriately, at least from a mystical POV, is that of the Great (feminine) Tao, which has no beginning nor end, and is Mother to all:
There is something formlessly created
Born before Heaven and Earth
So silent! So ethereal!
Independent and changeless
Circulating and ceaseless
It can be regarded as the mother of the world
Tao te Ching, Ch 25
http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm
So, unlike the anthropomorphic image of Gaia, The Tao, though a feminine principle, has no such anthropomorphic images attached to it. To the contrary, it's nature is formless, like the great ocean, out of which all wave-forms emerge.
syo
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check a dictionary. personification as embodiment. earth is the embodiment of Gaia. now is it clear?Gaia (mythology)
Gaia
Primordial Deity of the Earth
In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeɪ.ə/ or /ˈɡaɪ.ə/ from Ancient Greek Γαῖα, a poetical form of Γῆ Gē, "land" or "earth" also spelled Gaea, was the personification of the Earth and one of the Greek primordial deities. Gaia was the great mother of all: the primal Greek Mother Goddess; creator and giver of birth to the Earth and all the Universe; the heavenly gods, the Titans, and the Giants were born to her. The gods reigning over their classical pantheon were born from her union with Uranus (the sky), while the sea-gods were born from her union with Pontus (the sea). Her equivalent in the Roman pantheon was Terra.
Etymology
The Greek word γαῖα (transliterated as gaia) is a collateral form of γῆ (gē, Doric γᾶ ga and probably δᾶ da) meaningEarth,[6] a word of uncertain origin.[7] R. S. P. Beekes has suggested a Pre-Greek origin. It, however, could be related to the Avestan word gaiia 'life;'
cf. Av. gaēθā '(material) world, totality of creatures' and gaēθiia 'belonging to/residing in the worldly/material sphere, material'; and probably even Av, gairi 'mountain'.[citation needed]
In Mycenean Greek Ma-ka (trans. as Ma-ga, "Mother Gaia") also contains the root ga-.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology)
However, Gaia, as well as all the other gods, (even Yaweh) are anthropomorphizations/projections of super-human forms/characteristcs. It is man who 'personified' them as such. Therefore, Earth first, Gaia second, even though it is conceived/imagined the other way around.
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, because the image of Gaia is one projected by humans in the first place. Gaia is the personification of super-human-ness and form. If anything, humans are what emerged from the Earth, just as oranges emerge from orange trees. We did not come into the world; we came out of it.
Having said that, my own view is that Earth IS Gaia. There is no 'other' that is personifying it. You're just creating an unnecessary 'Personifier' of the 'personifcation'.