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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

I was reading Gen 3 and I ended with more questions than answers.
1. Did God put Satan in the garden?
2. Didn't God know what would happen?
3 Did you notice that Satan always gives a piece of truth & a lie
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler

gnostic

The Lost One
Only Christian (and Muslim) interpretation say that Satan was in the Garden.

According to Judaism, Satan was not anywhere in the Garden, let alone Satan = the serpent.

I had a theory in an older thread where it is God who orchestra the whole expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden by any of the followings:


  1. God was the one impersonating the serpent;
  2. or God made the serpent talk, to persuade Eve to take the fruit.

For the 2nd possibility, God did made a donkey talk to Balaam in Numbers 22.

My reasoning is that God didn't want them to stay in the Garden, because in Genesis 1, his decree was that humans should "go forth and multiply". They can't stay in the Garden if he wanted them to populate the earth.

This is logical if you take his curse to Adam into consideration. God told Adam that he will have to find his own food, by "toiling the earth", like farming for example, instead of enjoying the bounty of Eden, where Adam wouldn't need to grow his own food.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I have a theory to


ancient man influenced by previous religions had brought these legends with them when they migrated to the holy land, a cultural spin was added top give them identity.

I had this other whacky idea the story was merged with other legends and added to and heavily edited over hundreds and hundreds of years to give a new culture identity.


So no, god didnt put anything anywhere as written or it would have been stated as such

According to the story, no god didnt know he gave the choices to them to maek of their own free will.
 

Plato

Member
For a lot of modern Christians Genesis is not to be taken literally. They see it as a way to explain briefly very complex things (the creation of the universe etc.) to ancient people in a simple, broken down, familiar way they could understand/ remember.
In this view 'satan' is not a actual person or being but an allegory for temptation. This is why satan is often described as the great tempter, the deceiver, the liar. 'He' is really an 'it'...the little voice inside your head, that part of your free will that suggests and encourages you to do something wrong, made more 'real' and understandable for reading and memory purposes by describing your temptation as if it were a seperate being.
In this view 'satan' is just everyones temptation for sin. That is why Jesus once yells at Peter...'get behind me you satan' when Peter suggests Jesus do something against God's will, and why Jesus spends the time in the desert wrestling with satan. Are we really supposed to think Jesus spent a full 40 days wrestling around the desert with an actual being? Or the far more logical and common sense...that he spent 40 days in the desert alone wrestling with his own temptation and free will to not do what God wanted.
By making the wrestling with temptation for wrong, wrestling with an actual being, just makes for better reading and easier to remember. Personally I think Jesus would be very disapointed if people missed the whole point, and thought he was wrestling with an actual being instead of temptation.
So, in this view satan (the serpent) in the garden is supposed to be understood to be Eve's then Adam's own temptation to do something their father (God) told them not to, that they give in to and thereby sin. God doesn't have to put an actual snake or being in the garden as 'satan' is just a metaphor (a literary stand in) for free will to be tempted to do wrong.
 
For a lot of modern Christians Genesis is not to be taken literally. They see it as a way to explain briefly very complex things (the creation of the universe etc.) to ancient people in a simple, broken down, familiar way they could understand/ remember.
In this view 'satan' is not a actual person or being but an allegory for temptation. This is why satan is often described as the great tempter, the deceiver, the liar. 'He' is really an 'it'...the little voice inside your head, that part of your free will that suggests and encourages you to do something wrong, made more 'real' and understandable for reading and memory purposes by describing your temptation as if it were a seperate being.
In this view 'satan' is just everyones temptation for sin. That is why Jesus once yells at Peter...'get behind me you satan' when Peter suggests Jesus do something against God's will, and why Jesus spends the time in the desert wrestling with satan. Are we really supposed to think Jesus spent a full 40 days wrestling around the desert with an actual being? Or the far more logical and common sense...that he spent 40 days in the desert alone wrestling with his own temptation and free will to not do what God wanted.
By making the wrestling with temptation for wrong, wrestling with an actual being, just makes for better reading and easier to remember. Personally I think Jesus would be very disapointed if people missed the whole point, and thought he was wrestling with an actual being instead of temptation.
So, in this view satan (the serpent) in the garden is supposed to be understood to be Eve's then Adam's own temptation to do something their father (God) told them not to, that they give in to and thereby sin. God doesn't have to put an actual snake or being in the garden as 'satan' is just a metaphor (a literary stand in) for free will to be tempted to do wrong.
An interesting theory. It is possible that Satan does exist and "wrestle" is the metaphor for fighting temptation
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
An interesting theory. It is possible that Satan does exist and "wrestle" is the metaphor for fighting temptation

you would have to consider the obvious too.
god didn't want a & e to be morally aware of their actions... hence the tree being forbidden
actually, we owe satan for providing a way to for us to become morally aware
if you take this literally.
 
you would have to consider the obvious too.
god didn't want a & e to be morally aware of their actions... hence the tree being forbidden
actually, we owe satan for providing a way to for us to become morally aware
if you take this literally.
More precisely, we owe Eve for figuring it out. She could have chosen to obey.
 

starlite

Texasgirl
Early in human history, when mankind had its start in the garden of Eden, an angel of God became rebellious. Why? Because he was not satisfied with his role in Jehovah God’s heavenly arrangement. With the creation of Adam and Eve, he saw an opportunity to divert their obedience and worship away from the true God and to himself. By rebelling against God and by inducing the first human pair to pursue a sinful course, this angel made himself Satan the Devil. In time, other angels got involved in his rebellion. How?—Genesis 3:1-6

Who made this “Devil,” this “Satan”? Put simply, one of the powerful spirit sons of God turned himself into the Devil. How was this possible? Well, today a person who was once decent and honest may become a thief. How does that happen? The person may allow a wrong desire to develop in his heart. If he keeps thinking about it, that wrong desire may become very strong. Then if the opportunity presents itself, he may act upon the bad desire that he has been thinking about.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Early in human history, when mankind had its start in the garden of Eden
:facepalm:


Im sorry but mankind started in Africa about 200,000 years ago

long before hebrews created the creation myth
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I was reading Gen 3 and I ended with more questions than answers.
1. Did God put Satan in the garden?
2. Didn't God know what would happen?
3 Did you notice that Satan always gives a piece of truth & a lie

1. Not sure, what does the Bible say?
2. Uh, not if you believe in free will.
3. No, I hadn't noticed. If you could give other examples of this from scripture that would be great.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Obviously you believe this statement and have evidence to prove it.

not only is it common knowledge among historians and scholars that the creation myth came from Mesopotamian sources.

No one with any credibility denounces evolution nor the fact that homo sapiens go back some 200, 000 years.

Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


you will learn being human has nothing to do with ancient hebrews.



Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens,[3][4] Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man")[5] are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago
 

starlite

Texasgirl
not only is it common knowledge among historians and scholars that the creation myth came from Mesopotamian sources.

No one with any credibility denounces evolution nor the fact that homo sapiens go back some 200, 000 years.

Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


you will learn being human has nothing to do with ancient hebrews.



Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens,[3][4] Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man")[5] are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago

In his book, P. J. Wiseman points out that, when the Babylonian creation tablets were first discovered, some scholars expected further discovery and research to show that there was a correspondency between them and the Genesis account of creation. Some thought that it would become apparent that the Genesis account was borrowed from the Babylonian. However, further discovery and research have merely made apparent the great gulf between the two accounts. They do not parallel each other. Wiseman quotes The Babylonian Legends of the Creation and the Fight Between Bel and the Dragon, issued by the Trustees of the British Museum, who hold that “the fundamental conceptions of the Babylonian and Hebrew accounts are essentially different.” He himself observes: “It is more than a pity that many theologians, instead of keeping abreast of modern archaeological research, continue to repeat the now disproved theory of Hebrew ‘borrowings’ from Babylonian sources.”—Creation Revealed in Six Days, London, 1949, p. 58.

While some have pointed to what seemed to them to have been similarities between the Babylonian epic and the Genesis account of creation, it is readily apparent from the preceding consideration of the Biblical creation narrative and the foregoing epitome of the Babylonian myth that they are not really similar. Therefore, a detailed analysis of them side by side is unnecessary. However, in considering seeming similarities and differences (such as the order of events) in these accounts, Professor George A. Barton observed: “A more important difference lies in the religious conceptions of the two. The Babylonian poem is mythological and polytheistic. Its conception of deity is by no means exalted. Its gods love and hate, they scheme and plot, fight and destroy. Marduk, the champion, conquers only after a fierce struggle, which taxes his powers to the utmost. Genesis, on the other hand, reflects the most exalted monotheism. God is so thoroughly the master of all the elements of the universe, that they obey his slightest word. He controls all without effort. He speaks and it is done. Granting, as most scholars do, that there is a connection between the two narratives, there is no better measure of the inspiration of the Biblical account than to put it side by side with the Babylonian. As we read the chapter in Genesis today, it still reveals to us the majesty and power of the one God, and creates in the modern man, as it did in the ancient Hebrew, a worshipful attitude toward the Creator.”—Archaeology and the Bible, 1949, pp. 297, 298.

Regarding ancient creation myths in general, it has been stated: “No myth has yet been found which explicitly refers to the creation of the universe, and those concerned with the organization of the universe and its cultural processes, the creation of man and the establishment of civilization are marked by polytheism and the struggles of deities for supremacy in marked contrast to the Heb. monotheism of Gn. 1-2.”—New Bible Dictionary, edited by J. Douglas, 1985, p. 247.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
I was reading Gen 3 and I ended with more questions than answers.
1. Did God put Satan in the garden?
2. Didn't God know what would happen?
3 Did you notice that Satan always gives a piece of truth & a lie

The book Paradise lost is about this very event. It isn't part of the bible but it's a pretty good explanation and a lot of what the average person assumes is biblical fact actually was only in this book.

The bible doesn't really say how Satan entered the garden. If you look at the bible as a complilation of books written over a large span of time by different authors, it is clear that the serpent isn't Satan and probably was never intended to be. However, if you look at it as one book inspired by the word of God, then you have to believe the serpent is Satan in disguise, even though this confuses the story and brings up questions about God's state of mind that we can only wonder about.
 
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ForeverFaithful

Son Worshiper
:facepalm:


Im sorry but mankind started in Africa about 200,000 years ago

long before hebrews created the creation myth
Why do you also seem surprised when people believe this?

You seem completely ignorant of the fact that not everyone follows your premise that the Bible is wrong, you often make assertions as though the mere fact that you believe it proves everything else wrong,

You have every right to an opinion and to develop it based on facts you observe but you come off as condescending to Bible-believers
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
You have every right to an opinion and to develop it based on facts you observe but you come off as condescending to Bible-believers

i'm sorry, what is your point exactly?
that you have given power to outhouses posts...that is your prerogative of course.
:rolleyes:
 
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