socharlie
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We really ultimately want to inherit the kingdom and see God. Hope that wicked turn good.
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How could an omniscient , omnipotent god of love create sin ?
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The Hebrew God was originally a tribal God. A God who had a specific interest in the Hebrew people. Therefore not a God loving of all men. Just specific ones belonging to one specific tribe.
Taking a tribal God and trying to apply it equally to all mankind takes a bit of creative interpretation.
Skwim
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Nice choice when it's a foregone conclusion that every one of us will choose the apple, and god knows this. Think there's ever been a person on earth, aside from your Jesus, who hasn't sinned? Of course not. God simply watches us all commit sin after sin. Some with the benefit of having been given a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card (Salvation through the acceptance of Christ as one's savior) and others receiving no such benefit at all. In short, Tough cookies, sinner!
But not everyone who does things believes they're wrong; so wrong that they would get one sent to an eternal hell. Take the sin of lusting. I can easily see people who have never heard of the consequences god has in store for them, regarding lust as wrong. As part of our sexual nature they could very well consider it an attribute that serves to enhance their sexual satisfaction. But god doesn't give a fig if they don't know what's in store for them. Lusting? Off to hell with you.
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socharlie
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Abram came from Sumer, he had clairvoyant abilities (due to DNA) specifics, God decided to cultivate a nation from Abram because of His DNA. In a way that nation was sacrifice so they spread advanced consciousness through out the world.
Skwim
Veteran Member
As if everyone on earth will hear it.
And those that did are going to pay more attention to it than you're going to take to heart the teachings of their religion. .
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So I'm not sure if you are looking for my answer, since you're mostly basing this on Christianity's view of God, but my faith has an "omnipotent, omniscient love god", as you put it. So feel free to disregard if my Faith isn't the type of answer you were looking for.
In my Faith we are taught that Heaven/Hell are states of nearness or distance from God. Nearness is obtained by detachment from things. Distance is gained through attachment or entanglement to things.
All "sin" is variation on attachment and entanglement. To run through the basic seven people typically refer to in short: Greed is attachment to physical objects, lust and gluttony attachment to physical pleasure, envy and pride a physical attachment to status, wrath an attachment to the way one thinks things should be, and sloth an attachment to apathy.
Sin is thus the same as Hell in the Baha'i view, both are distance from God. Why is sin permitted?? Probably out of a sense of freedom. If one wants to choose distance from God one should be free to do so.
God gave us true freedom to choose life or death, good or evil, union with Him or separation from Him. If you have a child, you know full-well that they have the chance to do good or bad. If you teach them what is good and then they choose to do it over harmful or bad things that they are exposed to in the world around them, then that child has grown to become wise and mature. If you force a child to do what you want them to do, their moral and personal growth will be stunted and they will live in terror. God wants us to grow up and be wise and mature, as a good Father does for His children. The Bible says in Wisdom of Sirach, chapter 15:
14 It was he who created humankind in the beginning,
and he left them in the power of their own free choice.
15 If you choose, you can keep the commandments,
and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice.
16 He has placed before you fire and water;
stretch out your hand for whichever you choose.
17 Before each person are life and death,
and whichever one chooses will be given.
18 For great is the wisdom of the Lord;
he is mighty in power and sees everything;
19 his eyes are on those who fear him,
and he knows every human action.
20 He has not commanded anyone to be wicked,
and he has not given anyone permission to sin.
Ok, you know this how?
Following up on @Sanzbir 's post, I am not a Christian either although I find some parts of the Bible to be meaningful.
From my belief, heaven and hell are temporary states between lives where we review the past life and enjoy our virtues, heaven, or learn from our deeds, hell. "Eternal" means the feeling that what's going on is eternal not literally forever.
So rather than say "God created sin", I would say "God created opportunities for learning". And learning always involves trial and error.
From my belief, heaven and hell are temporary states between lives where we review the past life and enjoy our virtues, heaven, or learn from our deeds, hell. "Eternal" means the feeling that what's going on is eternal not literally forever.
So rather than say "God created sin", I would say "God created opportunities for learning". And learning always involves trial and error.
Skwim
Veteran Member
But is it really any choice when one is driven to, has no choice but to, poop in one's diaper? No it isn't.
Even, as in my example with lust, they did feel it was wrong they have no reason to believe such a wrong will land them in an eternal hell. Huge difference here of being forewarned of the consequences and what one can do to avoid them, and blithely committing what one perceives to be a minor wrong.
Bull hockey! God programmed all of humanity to sin.
Romans 3:23(ESV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
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23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
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Grandliseur
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I don't know who taught you those things; such teachings have no foundation in the Bible.
Satan and his demons, fallen angels, have resided, or been able to go into the heavens as much as they like until the time they are thrown down to earth. Once thrown down to earth, none knows exactly if this has happened yet, they still seem to live, exist, in their UFOs, or bases on the moon, or perhaps in remote places on earth.
Hell
There is no torment of hell after death; people return to non existence when they die.
It cannot be stated that God knew Adam and Eve would sin. He knew that some of their children would since the probability would certainly be 100%. But, if their children had sinned and not A&E we would not have had the problems we do now.
Sin
Free guarantees that some shall use it for nefarious purposes, thus having not created robots, it was assured that some would, by no means all. However, after Adam's sin where all became imperfect, all sin whether they like it or not. In this, we have a difference, some sin by purpose, and others because they cannot help it.
socharlie
Active Member
from Genesis
Skwim
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Srivijaya
Active Member
You mean the Biblical Genesis? Where does it talk about DNA in Genesis?
whirlingmerc
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The problem of evil is a mystery but God created everything good but changeable
PureX
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According to the mythology, God didn't "create sin", we did. So you're blaming God for something God didn't do.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
God created a universe of dualities. Light and day. Heaven and earth. Man and woman. Land and water etc. He created man with the ability to discern differences as well. There would be no earth to discern without these dualities. It is the visible nature of the universe, hence good and evil.
These only exist though through our perceptions. Stop percieving things that way and they no longer have meaning. God wants you to guide your own perceptions in order to find Him.
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