Many words are common to Buddhism and Hinduism. After all, we're in the same family.
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Many words are common to Buddhism and Hinduism. After all, we're in the same family.
Could be. Certainly there is a great fear of it there, in some people absolutely. I liked when Paramacharya said, 'We're all doing it." Death denial is a problem.
Yes of course. Baha'i's believe every belief of all religions, Tony. There is nothing you guys don't believe in.
What death do you consider Christ taught?
Did not Christ show how to overcome physical death by being alive in Spirit?
Regards Tony
Score ...
Vinayaka 4
Carlita 3
LH 2
Adrian 1
Didymus 1
Roaring Silence 1
I win. Debate over.
Please feel free to post that video to me personally, or not if you feel uncomfortable. I looked for it yesterday but found it had been deleted.
Interesting conversation about the nature of the soul and what happens after death. Three different perspectives on the afterlife. (1) There is no afterlife. (2) There is an afterlife and we progress through the worlds of God beyond this one. (3) The soul transmigrates to another life in this world until perfection is reached and moksha is achieved. We are freed from the cycle of life and death eventually in all three paradigms though in Hinduism it takes a little longer. Perhaps a lot longer.
What does it mean for our short lives here? We better make the best of it, because we only get one shot at it? If we make the best of it we move closer to Moksha. If we fluff around or make a complete hash of it by hurting others and being horrible then there's always another life?
How can we know for certain? You have your lineage of gurus to guide you on the right path and ensure you have the truth.@Carlita has the Buddha's teachings which could be confidently interpreted by some to mean there is no afterlife. I have my long line of "I'm right and your wrong prophets" that go back to Adam 6000 years ago.
Can any of us know from experience? Some have NDE and claim to have seen a light, relatives or a glimpse of the next world. Others claim memories of past lives. Some have mystical experiences that confirm us in our faith and then we are back to the same paradox as above.
They are all true to each of us. Can all three be literally true or do they contradict each other?
If one is the best truth, which one and why?
Hindus have no need for a bucket list?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Christ taught death as permanent and only flesh-the sinful nature. Once a Christian dies in sacrifice/christ to the creator, they go to be with the father with christ for eternity. Death is sacrifice of the physical self in christianity.
In Buddhism, death is a transition not an end to the physical self. It means nothing. Instead, we are reborn-in a cycle-in this life like all parts of life and relieve suffering through our birth until we reach liberation by death not by resurrection and the we actually die. There is no resurrection. So death means nothing in Buddhism. It's an illusion.
I wonder if death, like the fear of death and the "end" concept, is an abrahamic viewpoint. Spiritualist see death as a transition so it's not at all eastern. I wonder if other faiths view death as a transition as well.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I don't think Jesus (Yeshua) made much ado about death, but early Christianity most certainly offered a wonderful afterlife to any who would be humbled, pacified and controlled.
Hmmmm.....
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I was dead for countless billions of years; and it was alright.
I can be dead for countless billions of years yet again; and it will be alright.
Into this Universe, and 'why' not knowing,
Nor 'whence', like Water willy-nilly flowing,
And out of it, as Wind along the Waste,
I know not 'whither', willy-nilly blowing.
Rubaiyat
Omar Khayyam
Lol
That is the best possible response you could have provided to my Sunday morning contemplation on the meaning of it all!
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Well...
I've had out of body experiences when I was younger. Later own, I thought it was a spiritual phenomena. Then I learned every experiences is interpreted by the mind. It reflected my experiences with seizures and depression-neuro conditions. Then I learned that training my mental state affects my health and spiritual well being. The Buddha so happens to make that more personal, spiritual, and devotional. Now, I know I have these experiences and I'm not crazy. I just have to admit they are my experiences and be me.
They contradict. Moska, going off this thread, is union with god to put it simply. Buddhism has no union. I guess some would define liberation as a mystical experience of The Buddha. In the beginning of this thread, that was how Bahai liked The Buddha pointing to god by seeing his enlightenment as an experience of god of some sort. Other Buddhists from the Dhamma talks I'm listening to see it simple. No suffering. Death. Freedom. If Vinayaka gives you that video, it's a good one. I honestly would not compare it to Bahai faith.
Why one truth? Why the best?
*Smells Abrahamic nearby*
I've had out of body experiences when I was younger. Later own, I thought it was a spiritual phenomena. Then I learned every experiences is interpreted by the mind. It reflected my experiences with seizures and depression-neuro conditions. Then I learned that training my mental state affects my health and spiritual well being. The Buddha so happens to make that more personal, spiritual, and devotional. Now, I know I have these experiences and I'm not crazy. I just have to admit they are my experiences and be me.
They contradict. Moska, going off this thread, is union with god to put it simply. Buddhism has no union. I guess some would define liberation as a mystical experience of The Buddha. In the beginning of this thread, that was how Bahai liked The Buddha pointing to god by seeing his enlightenment as an experience of god of some sort. Other Buddhists from the Dhamma talks I'm listening to see it simple. No suffering. Death. Freedom. If Vinayaka gives you that video, it's a good one. I honestly would not compare it to Bahai faith.
Why one truth? Why the best?
*Smells Abrahamic nearby*
That is beautiful. I was thinking that life is a mystery to be enjoyed rather than a problem to be solved.
The clash and cacophony of differing world views is music to my hears today.
Tomorrow is a different day and I'll be back to debating the pros and cons as we all do
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Hey Adrian, I'm so far behind, I don't know if I'll ever catch up. But I checked on what was going on today and found the Dalai Lama was part of the conversation. Since they believe he was reincarnated and they teach reincarnation as true, how do Baha'is deal with that?That's an excellent article thanks Carlita.
Here is another excerpt I wanted to share, which I think is very relevant to this thread and completely resonated for me.
The value of interreligious dialogue
What, then, is the value of interreligious dialogue? How should it be conducted? The purpose is to benefit people, not to debate and arise victorious. When we approach dialogue with an open mind, respect and willingness to learn, we benefit others and are benefited in return. However, if we or the other party lack this attitude, then it is better not to discuss religion. For communication to occur, there has to be a sincere wish to listen, not simply to speak. If this is missing, it is best to excuse ourselves from the conversation. Were it to continue, the discussion would degenerate into an issue of power, not spirituality, with one party trying to dominate or convert the other. Genuine interreligious dialogue occurs in an atmosphere of mutual respect and genuine interest. It is a sharing of spirituality that inspires all parties. Someone once observed, “When philosophers and theologians meet, they argue. When spiritual practitioners and mystics meet, they smile.”
Of course, like many religious adherents I don't come close to living up to the high ideals of my faith. However like the mystics, some of these discussions make me smile, perhaps for different reasons, but its genuinely a pleasure and privilege to be here.
I have attended two Dalai Lama talks btw on occasions he has visited my town.
Welcome back again. It does not matter if you read a couple of posts to catch up or a hundred. It's good to have you here. Only some Buddhists believe in reincarnation, like the Tibetans (I think), while many don't. So what did the Buddha really teach? The answer to that question may depend on who you believe as it's probably near impossible to objectively say with certainty.
For a better answer you could talk to the many Baha'is from Buddhist backgrounds in Asia. The'll have their sutra and suttas figured out better than I ever will. Too bad we have none on this thread
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
From Revelation 5:
“Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
One being is worthy, not two. The Lion and the Lamb are the same being.6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
From Rev 7:
...before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
“These in white robes... are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb... the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd..."
The Lamb is the dominant figure in the Revelation. The symbolism of robes washed white in the blood is so very Christian and alludes to Jesus. The Bab doesn't fit the descriptions. God is the one on the throne, not Baha'u'llah. So still unclear to me.“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
“These in white robes... are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb... the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd..."
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Only some? Or only some don't believe in reincarnation? But the Dalai Lama does. Is he wrong and misinformed?Welcome back again. It does not matter if you read a couple of posts to catch up or a hundred. It's good to have you here. Only some Buddhists believe in reincarnation, like the Tibetans (I think), while many don't. So what did the Buddha really teach? The answer to that question may depend on who you believe as it's probably near impossible to objectively say with certainty.
For a better answer you could talk to the many Baha'is from Buddhist backgrounds in Asia. The'll have their sutra and suttas figured out better than I ever will. Too bad we have none on this thread
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
"You need the New Testament to understand all religions prior to Christ"? Yes, for the Christian view of Judaism. But what about the other religions? How do Christians view Hindu and Buddhism?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
But the Gods do have wives don't they? But more seriously, "schools" of thought within religions is an important thing to look at. It shows the progression and reworking of a religion from the inside, by the believers themselves. Some prominent Baha'is commented on the way the Baha'i Faith was doing things and got in big trouble. The main one I remember was an article in a magazine run by Baha'is.
I really like the Dalai Lama and what he has to say, though haven't heard him speak on reincarnation. I suspect he draws heavily on the religious traditions of his faith as most religious adherents do.
Is reincarnation a true belief? How about Jesus, God incarnate resurrecting from the dead? Or perhaps Muhammad being the seal of the prophets? There are a constellation of contradictory beliefs both between faiths and within faiths. Are they all true? If not who has the best truth?