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Homosexuals Banned from Giving Blood

Alceste

Vagabond
I'm fine with them being crazy strict about controlling the blood supply.

I'm fine with that, too. The way to do that, though, is not to base it on superficial characteristics like sexuality. Even if more gay men have HIV, you can still test the blood, and the person can still be tested. Be strict about it by forcing people to bring in their test results, and then testing the blood thoroughly, not by basing it on percentages based on population.

Well it sounds like your criticism is with the whole system and all its restrictions then - not just the restrictions for certain sexual behaviors. I mean, I have a tattoo, so I can't donate blood. Is it fair to say you think that is equally wrong, or is the thing about gay people more wrong in your view?
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
The criteria should be whether a particular group of people engaging in a particular behavior presents a higher than usual risk of contamination. If sexually active gay men present that risk, then I agree with not allowing them to donate blood. There's plenty of other ways they can serve their fellow humans. However, the question becomes whether they actually present this elevated risk or not. The American Red Cross says they do not. The FDA says they do. That is where the argument should go if it is to make any policy sense.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
This isn't about discrimination or gay rights, its about reducing the risk of passing on blood-borne diseases to uninfected people to the absolute minimum possible.

Tests can give false positive and false negatives. It is far easier and safer to simply exclude all people in higher risk categories than run the risk of allowing infected blood through due to poor or faulty testing.

Some things in life can't be PC, viruses are one of them.
 

Dream Angel

Well-Known Member
"Anyone who spent three months or more in the United Kingdom from 1980 through 1996" - That is hilarious! Anyway personally I don't have a problem with homosexuals not being able to give blood. There is a greater risk after all - ever heard the saying "better to be safe than sorry" - I would rather hurt the feeling of a homosexual than another person become infected. I cannot give blood myself. There are lots of reasons why, some as you can see are ridiculous, but I would rather the people receiving it be safe! I don't like the world we live in - political correctness is being taken completely out of control!
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
If you notice the list does not exclude women who have had sexual contact with women during that same time frame..I think..(please dont throw tomatos)..it has to do with the practice of anal sex having a higher instance of contracting HIV (and other diseases as well)from an infected partner due to a higher instance of blood being invovled in that practice..

In other words..your at higher risk of being infected having anal sex with an infected partner than you are having any other type of sex...and I am guessing they assume gay men are engaging in that practice far more than any other 'group"...

:sorry1:

Love

Dallas
 
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DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Oh...how I know this..is if ever I tried to find information on the safety issues of anal sex..As far as ANY risk involved..There was page after page..HIV ...HIV...HIV..HIV....

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Dallas
 

Dream Angel

Well-Known Member
If you notice the list does not exclude women who have had sexual contact with women during that same time frame..I think..(please dont throw tomatos)..it has to do with the practice of anal sex having a higher instance of contrating HIV form an infected partner due to a higher instance of blood beign invovled..

In other words..your at higher risk of being infected having anal sex with an infected partner than you are having any other type of sex...and I am guessing they assume gay men are engaging in that practice for more than any other 'group"...

:sorry1:

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Dallas

You are right, it is anal sex, not homosexuality as a whole! If I remember rightly, I think anal sex between a man and a woman has a higher health risk as well hence it is illegal - in UK anyhow!
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
You are right, it is anal sex, not homosexuality as a whole! If I remember rightly, I think anal sex between a man and a woman has a higher health risk as well hence it is illegal - in UK anyhow!

Exactly..the title of this thread is misleading..Its not homosexuals..Its men who have had sexual contact with men..(anal sex)...

Im not saying heteros do not have anal sex..But you would have to admit..Its more likely to be a pracitce with gay men than any other group..Including lesbians..(who are not excluded)...

And since the higher intance of blood being involved..there is a higher transfer rate of diseases(from a single contact)..At least thats what I have read..Im not the expert..Im just repeating what I read...

Love

Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Well it sounds like your criticism is with the whole system and all its restrictions then - not just the restrictions for certain sexual behaviors. I mean, I have a tattoo, so I can't donate blood. Is it fair to say you think that is equally wrong, or is the thing about gay people more wrong in your view?

Yes, that's true. I am criticizing the whole system. There are other groups, as you point out, that are discriminated against, and I disagree with that, too. I was focusing on gays because of other recent events.

I must say that I'm surprised by the response in this thread. It's pretty simple. they test the blood anyway, and the donors can also be tested before going. It doesn't matter whether one group is higher risk. Other groups are still risky. Numbers I found are 17,465 cases of HIV/AIDS from male-to-male sexual contact in 2006, and 11,584 cases of high-risk heterosexual contact in 2006. Compare them to 4,728 cases of it from injection drug use.

Now, there are a reported 409,982 cases of AIDS in black black people in America since the beginning of the epidemic through 2006 and only 394,024 cases in white people in the same span. So, by the same logic shouldn't they also disallow black people to give blood? If not, why not?

Here's an analogy: If you're out walking and you need to cross the street, does it matter whether it's a small two-lane road that barely has any traffic or a four-lane road with a fair amount of traffic? Either way, you can cross. You just have to be more careful in one case.

The bottom line is that there are better ways to determine whether your blood is acceptable for donation than arbitrary assessments like whether a man has sex with a man, especialy since there are plenty of women who have anal sex with their male partners and yet they don't seem to have a problem with taking their blood.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
This isn't about discrimination or gay rights, its about reducing the risk of passing on blood-borne diseases to uninfected people to the absolute minimum possible.

Tests can give false positive and false negatives. It is far easier and safer to simply exclude all people in higher risk categories than run the risk of allowing infected blood through due to poor or faulty testing.

Some things in life can't be PC, viruses are one of them.

Except that they're not excluding all people in higher risk categories, or else they would have a case.

Your first statement is false. They say that's what it's about, but then why do they let other high-risk groups like black people give blood?
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
It's pretty simple. they test the blood anyway, and the donors can also be tested before going. It doesn't matter whether one group is higher risk.

Maybe it does matter..

Love

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Yes, it obviously does. Let me rephrase: It shouldn't matter.

Well it could be related to cost Mball..It cost money to run the test..And if one group has a higher instance of "positives" and are a known higher risk because of a certain type of sexual practices.....it could be a matter of dollars and cents..So if there "safety net" is catching one group at a signifcantly higher rate as another positive..and its because that group is engaging in a type of sexual activity "typically" and more routinely...they may just say it isnt worth the cost..or the risk..There aim afterall is to obtain as much blood..that can be safely used to save lives...

It could also be..(and Im just guessing here)..a matter of "liable"..If you are accepting blood from a known high risk "group" and one slips by that is positive for any disease...and infects a recipitiant of the donation..Whos fault is that for not minimizing the risk?

I dont know....all I know is there is a greater risk of contracting HIV and other blood born diseases through anal sex than there is through vaginal..or oral..

Love

Dallas
 
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Dream Angel

Well-Known Member
Yes they test blood, but as has already been stated they can give false positives and false negatives. I would rather upset a homosexual (actually let me rephrase, a man who has anal sex with another man), than one more person be infected with HIV. You cannot gamble with HIV. The check list for giving blood is very very strict and it is something you CAN NOT compromise on. You can not gamble with peoples lives!
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Yes, it obviously does. Let me rephrase: It shouldn't matter.

Well then it shouldnt matter if you are an I.V drug user either..Or if you have any kind of sex for money...After all they have "test" to catch any diseases you may have..So why descriminate against addicts..and prostitutes or porn actors..

They are "excluded" because they are at HIGHER risk to have diseases that can be spread through blood due to their sexual practices or habits..

Using your logic I could say.."just because Im an IV drug user...doesnt mean that some people that dont use needles to do drugs that get included to donate aren't possibly engaging in risky behavior that put them at a similar risk"...

There is NO doubt..that heterosexual ..non I.V drug using..non porn working or prostitution working people that have never been to the U>K(that one is a twist)..contract aides and hepatitus and other diseases...

Its a "risk factor"..analysis..

Those who DO NOT engage in those practices or "less likely" to have contracted blood born diseases that are transferred through blood...that could get passed on through the blood banks..EVEN with testing..On top of the fact as I mentioned before..If you know from the get go..those in the high risk groups WILL test positvie more often than those NOT in the high risk groups..It saves money..time ..and risk just to mark them off..And only take those in the lowest risk catergories..

Love

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Yes they test blood, but as has already been stated they can give false positives and false negatives. I would rather upset a homosexual (actually let me rephrase, a man who has anal sex with another man), than one more person be infected with HIV. You cannot gamble with HIV. The check list for giving blood is very very strict and it is something you CAN NOT compromise on. You can not gamble with peoples lives!

What about I.V drug users??WHY should they be rejected???(its not because they are low lifes because they do drugs)

Why?? Because that is a higher risk behavior due to sharing needles..Needles with BLOOD on them...from person to person..

Love

Dallas
 

Dream Angel

Well-Known Member
What about I.V drug users??WHY should they be rejected???(its not because they are low lifes because they do drugs)

Why?? Because that is a higher risk behavior due to sharing needles..Needles with BLOOD on them...from person to person..

Love

Dallas

Exactly, I would imagine prostitutes are on the list as well!
 
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